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Re: Russia invades Ukraine

Postby Halbertz » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:17 am

Procne wrote:Do Russian people even know about Chernobyl? Russian government pretended for a long time that nothing happened. Then they admitted before other countries - but what about its own citizens?


Of course everyone knows about Chernobyl. Whole issue about that special digging operation and other incompetent things is how army works in Russia (and I belive some other countries). Orders should be done whatever they are.
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine

Postby ErdTod » Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:06 am

VDZ wrote:I don't want to pick a side, so I'll pick a side
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine

Postby VDZ » Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:34 am

Trappin wrote:Which means a whole bunch of Rus troops got fried.

Exposure to nuclear radiation does not fry people*; the stuff typically depicted in fiction is all wrong. Even in extreme cases (which is not even around the Chernobyl plant, unless you go stand like right next to the Elephant's Foot unprotected) the direct effects are just that you get sick after a couple hours, then over a period of days, weeks or months your body gradually starts failing all over until you die of internal bleeding or similar.
(*If you're thinking of radiation burns, that's only skin damage and occurs only for extreme short-term exposure (i.e. intentional irradiation or being close to a nuclear reaction or similar); you won't get it from background radiation.)

But not even that happens with these levels of exposure. Instead, exposure to nuclear radiation just raises the chance you get cancer, meaning you become more likely to eventually die of cancer and at a younger age. 'Fucked' in terms of radiation typically means you get terminal cancer in your 50s or something like that, which could be the case for these soldiers. Then again, there's also a decent chance they never experience any ill effects from the radiation - you always have a chance of randomly getting cancer, that chance goes up with radiation exposure (among other factors) but you could very well live to old age without getting it even with plenty of exposure. (The guy who made the famous Elephant's Foot picture back in 1996 is still alive to my knowledge, at least he still was back in 2017.) It's mostly a problem when looking on a larger scale; for an individual a 10% increased chance of cancer isn't much (otherwise people wouldn't be smoking), but settling 100,000 people in an area where they're 10% more likely to die of cancer is going to result in a lot of excess deaths.

People are irrationally afraid of nuclear radiation while completely oblivious to the millions of annual deaths caused by air pollution. But we better shut down more nuclear plants and replace them with coal power plants, or we might get another Chernobyl!
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine

Postby MadNomad » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:28 am

I've recently seen some people in hypermarket speaking ukrainian, and it's terrible, because I can not understand a single word if it's not similiar enough to polish

I've even heard rumors of some of them being arrogant, flexing with english sentences at old people, while anyone with a little bit of common sense knows that old people do not understand english because they never had need to learn it and it's only young ones that could understand it

so knowing this, there are two options on how to act with ukrainians:

1. when they are friendly and nice, you can be friendly and nice, try to be helpful, etc.
2. when they are arrogant, flex at old people with english sentences, etc. you should either say to them "speak normal" in polish, pretend you do not understand english, ignore them and mind your own business, etc.

so yeah, Poles and Ukrainians should try to live at peace, learn each others language, maybe cooperate, etc., but a lot of badness can come out of these two groups living in one country

and we don't even know what is the next global shitshow!
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine

Postby Odynak » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:18 pm

MadNomad wrote:so yeah, Poles and Ukrainians should try to live at peace, learn each others language, maybe cooperate, etc., but a lot of badness can come out of these two groups living in one country


Like you never saw Ukrainians in Poland before? :)

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Re: Russia invades Ukraine

Postby Fostik » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:25 pm

MadNomad wrote:I've even heard rumors of some of them being arrogant


Why exactly "arrogant" is the word that describes their behavior? I mean, anyone will try to speak english to person who does not understand you, this is default language.
Don't you trying exaggerate (or clinging to exaggerated takes) such things? This just sounds like "look, this ukrainian is so abrupt and arrogant, he does not know my language but trying to speak to me in english"
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine

Postby MadNomad » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:36 pm

Fostik wrote:anyone will try to speak english to person who does not understand you, this is default language.

not in Poland, in Poland the default language is polish
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine

Postby Fostik » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:39 pm

MadNomad wrote:not in Poland, in Poland the default language is polish


Default world language was meant. The one that you will start use automatically if person does not understand you nor you understand person's language.
I believe Poland is quite attractive for tourists, as well as area I am living right now: you can't walk a hour over Lviv center not being asked by foreigner to suggest the way or anything in english, believe you have pretty much the same but in bigger scale. See no problem here at all.
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine

Postby MadNomad » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:48 pm

Poles are endangered species now! Big Badness!
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine

Postby VDZ » Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:53 pm

Fostik wrote:Default world language was meant.

MadNomad is just being intentionally obtuse and it would do your sanity well to just ignore the troll, but for future reference the precise term for this is 'lingua franca'.
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