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Re: Posts Conspiracy: 51.54% of Postings from 1% of Member

Postby Ysh » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:30 am

Hasta wrote:
Ysh wrote:You do not understand of what you speak. Moderator has no monopoly on posts production. People already can produce their own posts. How you can become so confused as to think this one I can not come with speculation. Men of this forum forging their own destiny. Capital (postings score) is the only God these forum men know. I wish for these men to start working hard to achieve success. This is opposite of belief of these commies who will want all men to get same bread regardless of their working. Illogic system.


I have to keep repeating myself because you seem to have a hard time reading. The monopoly is not on "producing" postcounts, but on the "means of production". The capitalist does not have the monopoly on digging: he owns the shovel, and gets lion's cut of the profits gained with the shovel. This forum, it's forms you're filling while posting, editing tools etc. - means of producing posts - you don't have as much control of it as moderators do. You see the similarity?

As for your remarks about "commies" and "illogic system", you're confusing communism and socialism (that's the one with equal pay for unequal laziness). Let's not go into discussing obscure social constructs and their differences, just take my word for it if you can't tell these two apart =)

I think moderator does not having this power you think of either. This is jorb/loftar's doing. This analogy is not perfect I think. And I do not take word of dubious men.
Hasta wrote:
Ysh wrote:
Hasta wrote:"power of the postcount" is non-existent, except for giving an illusion of achieving something by deliberately inflating that postcount.

Maybe if you continue to repeat this someone may believe it eventually. :roll:


If you provide a few examples of how higher postcount gives some "special power" to a forum member, maybe someone will be gullible enough to believe you.

High postings score increases user trust. Should this do this? Probably not. I am sure you will begin to scream at this monitor you have for displaying my words: ''No! Men can do postings of nonsense to get score! It does not indicates reliable of poster at all!'' What things should happen is not the world we are live in. Should is irrelevant -- what is mattering is does. New forum user does not know content of all men's posts. They will just see this men has many posts and assume he is old member of forum. Old member will probably know what is going on, and so he will trust this experience.

Another perk is moderator does not permaban high postings score account nearly as often as low ones. I have had people in talks with me refer to this as ''diplomatic immunity'' once user gets around about some 1k score. Moderator does not tend for banning main account for user. Lower postings score user will appear as alternate account, fine for banning.

High postings score is also indicator for player being good at this game. Players who can score many points are good players, this is obvious one.
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Re: Posts Conspiracy: 51.54% of Postings from 1% of Member

Postby Granger » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:32 am

Ysh wrote: Men of this forum forging their own destiny. Capital (postings score) is the only God these forum men know.
You should stop projecting your shortcomings onto others.

I wish for these men to start working hard to achieve success.

Seriously: you want others to work away their life towards an empty goal that only exists in your head, presumably to stir up shit here for your entertainment? I know everyone has bad days, but how big of an asshole must someone be to actually voice such stuff?

Maybe if you continue to repeat this someone may believe it eventually. :roll:

See comment on first quote.

This seems to be directly from your playbook:

The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.


Oh, wait, according to Wikipedia that's actually from Mein Kampf
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Re: Posts Conspiracy: 51.54% of Postings from 1% of Member

Postby ydex » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:33 am

Hasta wrote:
Ysh wrote:
Hasta wrote:"power of the postcount" is non-existent, except for giving an illusion of achieving something by deliberately inflating that postcount.

Maybe if you continue to repeat this someone may believe it eventually. :roll:


If you provide a few examples of how higher postcount gives some "special power" to a forum member, maybe someone will be gullible enough to believe you.


Lol Hasta with his 500 posts talking about stuff he would know nothing about, qute
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Re: Posts Conspiracy: 51.54% of Postings from 1% of Member

Postby Ysh » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:37 am

Granger wrote:
Ysh wrote: Men of this forum forging their own destiny. Capital (postings score) is the only God these forum men know.
You should stop projecting your shortcomings onto others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Granger wrote:
I wish for these men to start working hard to achieve success.

Seriously: you want others to work away their life towards an empty goal that only exists in your head, presumably to stir up shit here for your entertainment? I know everyone has bad days, but how big of an asshole must someone be to actually voice such stuff?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Granger wrote:
Maybe if you continue to repeat this someone may believe it eventually. :roll:

See comment on first quote.

See comment on first quote.
Granger wrote:This seems to be directly from your playbook:

The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.


Oh, wait, according to Wikipedia that's actually from Mein Kampf

Double get!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

I really wish I can shitpost as much as you Granger and get away with it.
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Re: Posts Conspiracy: 51.54% of Postings from 1% of Member

Postby Granger » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:58 am

Ysh wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem


I know, totally not your style:
Ysh wrote:You mean time before you become moderator? Or before this power moving to your head?


Thread lightly, the ice is getting thinner - we don't want to falsify your bullshit about no permaban for 1k+ posts, do we?

Sleep well troll, ban you tomorrow ;)
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Re: Posts Conspiracy: 51.54% of Postings from 1% of Member

Postby Ysh » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:09 am

Granger wrote:
Ysh wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem


I know, totally not your style:
Ysh wrote:You mean time before you become moderator? Or before this power moving to your head?

Men who are easily burned should not spit fire. Do not pretend I instigated you. I merely give to you what I get from you.
Granger wrote:Thread lightly, the ice is getting thinner - we don't want to falsify your bullshit about no permaban for 1k+ posts, do we?

I never said this, but I am not surprised you will not read my postings.
Granger wrote:Sleep well troll, ban you tomorrow ;)

Ban me for calling you on your shit, good way to proving I am wrong about your green name moving to your head! :lol:
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Re: Posts Conspiracy: 51.54% of Postings from 1% of Member

Postby Hasta » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:11 am

@Ysh - i will ignore the things, irrelevant to the thread and aimed at me personally, be it from you or other people whos nickname starts with an "y", let's get to disproving your arguments.

Ysh wrote:High postings score increases user trust. Should this do this? Probably not.
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New forum user does not know content of all men's posts. They will just see this men has many posts and assume he is old member of forum. Old member will probably know what is going on, and so he will trust this experience.

High postcount indicates that a person is surely around for some time (even if only to shitpost). On the other hand, when an user with low postcount is weighning in on some game-related issue where trustworthiness is relevant, then it is most likely either a new player who is not experienced enough to be trustworthy, or someone's alt account, meaning that someone has reasons to hide or that someone got banned. Ofcourse, there are players who make 1-2 invaluable, genius posts per year; there are people who lost their accounts; but all those are exceptions. To conclude and answer your question: should high post count increase user trust? Yes, it should. Is it a "special power of being trustworthy" bestowed on someone by a high post count? No, it is not. It is a not-definitive social marker, originating in forum activity (just like the postcount itself), so the benefit it gives is justified and earned. In short, you don't get trust because you have high post-count, you earn trust and postcount with your activity on the forum. Cause and effect are different from what you are trying to argue.

Ysh wrote:I am sure you will begin to scream at this monitor you have for displaying my words: ''No! Men can do postings of nonsense to get score! It does not indicates reliable of poster at all!''

Ignoring this, not to be dragged into petty arguments and childish mockery.

Ysh wrote:Another perk is moderator does not permaban high postings score account nearly as often as low ones. I have had people in talks with me refer to this as ''diplomatic immunity'' once user gets around about some 1k score. Moderator does not tend for banning main account for user. Lower postings score user will appear as alternate account, fine for banning.

Again, justified. If an account have excessive knowledge of the game and community, yet only several posts on the forum - either this is an alternative account of some regular forum member who's been banned or just being naughty (which in reality makes 95% of permaban cases you've mentioned); or it's someone who reads forum a lot but rarely posts, therefore, not contributing much to the community. So, if need arises, those account get banned for their violations: they are not contributing, they make disruption in the forum. Regular posters with higher post count, on the other hand, are usually known to moderators, they are familiar with those members' behavioral patterns; so they tend to be more lenient with someone who is clearly having a bad day. In simple words: moderators see regular posters' behavior, if a person's usual behavior is disruptive - that person doesn't get to high postcount; if the person's contribution is usually valuable, on an occasion of a violation by that person mods cut him some slack, which enables that person to keep contributing and get high post count. Again, cause and effect are mixed up: high postcount doesn't get you moderator's benevolence; it's the other way aroiund: you post good posts, you get mods' benevolence, you make it to high post count.

Ysh wrote:High postings score is also indicator for player being good at this game. Players who can score many points are good players, this is obvious one.

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This is obvious trolling. High postcounts =/= some arcade highscore. And ofcourse in no way can it indicate anything about a player's ability to actually "be good" at H&h.

Edit: note how I am not picking the easiest to debunk part of your post, but rather thoroughly answer all your points? You should try it sometimes, it's fun and you come across as someone who actually proving a point, not just grinding water in a pestle for the sake of argument =)
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Re: Posts Conspiracy: 51.54% of Postings from 1% of Member

Postby Ysh » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:19 am

Hasta wrote:let's get to disproving your arguments.

Hasta wrote:
Ysh wrote:High postings score increases user trust.

To conclude and answer your question: should high post count increase user trust? Yes, it should. Is it a "special power of being trustworthy" bestowed on someone by a high post count? No, it is not. It is a not-definitive social marker, originating in forum activity (just like the postcount itself), so the benefit it gives is justified and earned.

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Ysh wrote:Another perk is moderator does not permaban high postings score account nearly as often as low ones.

Again, justified. Again, cause and effect are mixed up: high postcount doesn't get you moderator's benevolence; it's the other way aroiund: you post good posts, you get mods' benevolence, you make it to high post count.

Regarding all above. You misunderstand or I am not clear for this. Postings score giving benefit is not magical. It is justified. I do not try for suggesting it is causal relation, just correlated. I think if this confusion cloud has been cleared with winds of insight, we are in accord.
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Ysh wrote:High postings score is also indicator for player being good at this game. Players who can score many points are good players, this is obvious one.

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This is obvious trolling. High postcounts =/= some arcade highscore. And ofcourse in no way can it indicate anything about a player's ability to actually "be good" at H&h.

I do not mean this Haven and Hearth game. I mean forum game of amass postings score.
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Re: Posts Conspiracy: 51.54% of Postings from 1% of Member

Postby Hasta » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:43 am

Ysh wrote:Regarding all above. You misunderstand or I am not clear for this. Postings score giving benefit is not magical. It is justified. I do not try for suggesting it is causal relation, just correlated. I think if this confusion cloud has been cleared with winds of insight, we are in accord.

Ysh wrote:It is not weird for men to desire this postings power. But it can be a danger for unscrupulous cabal of moderator to gain too much power over the mortal men.


So, moderators make cabals to achieve high postcounts... to get falsely justified benefits of being more trustworthy and becoming less likely to get banned, am I getting it right now? That hardly qualifies as "power over mortal men", though.

Ysh wrote:I mean forum game of amass postings score.

Even if it could count as a "game" for some overcompetitive kid, that would be a rather boring one. I'd rather write it down under "hobby" or "collecting stuff" section.
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Re: Posts Conspiracy: 51.54% of Postings from 1% of Member

Postby Ysh » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:47 am

Hasta wrote:
Ysh wrote:Regarding all above. You misunderstand or I am not clear for this. Postings score giving benefit is not magical. It is justified. I do not try for suggesting it is causal relation, just correlated. I think if this confusion cloud has been cleared with winds of insight, we are in accord.

Ysh wrote:It is not weird for men to desire this postings power. But it can be a danger for unscrupulous cabal of moderator to gain too much power over the mortal men.


So, moderators make cabals to achieve high postcounts... to get more trustworthy and become less likely to get banned, am I getting it right now? That hardly qualifies as "power over mortal men", though.

You are beginning to open these eyes to seeing the whole picture, but not quite gotten to it yet. What is considered ''many postings'' is relative to what is the most postings in game. On forum where many user will have 100k postings, a mere 1k postings poster looks as noob. These moderator does trying to increase this postings score of theirs to make nonmoderator opinion look to be less valuable. Less trust for it. They do this so that they are put as top for source of information and gain this power. This is my current speculation.
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Ysh wrote:I mean forum game of amass postings score.

Even if it could count as a "game" for some overcompetitive kid, that would be a rather boring one. I'd rather write it down under "hobby" or "collecting stuff" section.

Maybe this word is more accurate to describing. But I think what is boring is difference to different men. ''Different strokes for different folks.''
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