The family model is changing.

[MagicManICT]

there were dozens of reasons that the family model worked. they don't any longer, however.

No, pretty much one: man dominated, everyone else submitted. Was it right? There's arguments from everyone on that. Women almost unanimously say no; men are torn on being equal, being dominant, and not giving a care. I know I'm simplifying the traditional family model a lot, but I think distilling it down makes for easier, if less nuanced, reading.

[arcolithe]

I'll throw you this quick one before I make a more meainingful response to some of the other posts when I have more energy.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/6224.0.55.001~Jun%202012~Chapter~one%20Parent%20Families

I don't live in Canada, and I will admit that I didn't thoroughly examine the statistics, I just sought confirmation of trends I suspected hence the ~ symbol. Will welcome thorough statistical analysis though and if you can prove what i have been saying wrong I'd very much like to know before I make too much of an ass of myself.

Edit: Would like to add that stats from 2016 indicate only 81% of single parents were female. Don't be the last to adapt

sorry for responding late, was a bit busy with school stuff and couldn't find their definitions there.
(summary report)
http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/Ausstats ... s_2007.pdf
Susan (2007) describes single parent and single family to be different, with only 22% of families with children under the age of 15 to be single family. 87% of this group were single-mothers, or 87% of 22% which is ~=19% of families with children under the age of 15 have single mothers. This does not include any family with all children above the age of 15.

Break ups are the most common cause of one-parent families, with children born to unpartnered mothers following. P.S. statistics are typically approximations.

(full statistics report)
http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats ... JUSTED.pdf
which I have to assume the paper is written to be statistically significant, as they only state statistical insignificance where it arises.
I encourage you to read pg113, I think you might find it interesting!

[MagicManICT]

P.S. statistics are typically approximations.

More accurately, they're a sampling of the whole population and, if done properly, will have a standard deviation from true accuracy by only a few percentage based on the size of the sample.

Unless it comes from census data, then it might be rounded, but it's as close to 100% accurate as you can get.

Susan (2007) describes single parent and single family to be different, with only 22% of families with children under the age of 15 to be single family. 87% of this group were single-mothers, or 87% of 22% which is ~=19% of families with children under the age of 15 have single mothers. This does not include any family with all children above the age of 15

Country? World-wide? Include number of "blended" families where parents have remarried after break-up/divorce? These numbers can vary widely from country to country.

[Potjeh]

there were dozens of reasons that the family model worked. they don't any longer, however.

No, pretty much one: man dominated, everyone else submitted. Was it right? There's arguments from everyone on that. Women almost unanimously say no; men are torn on being equal, being dominant, and not giving a care. I know I'm simplifying the traditional family model a lot, but I think distilling it down makes for easier, if less nuanced, reading.

Uhm, no, not really. In traditional family the man is in charge of external affairs and the woman is in charge of internal affairs.

[MagicManICT]

But who was the ultimate one in control of familial decisions? Many men were willing to listen to and be considerate of their wife's thoughts, but ultimately, that's where it stopped. The final decisions were up to the father.

Like I said, I know it's simplifying the family dynamic, and there's a lot one can write about how things went, but it's a way to sum things up in a tidy package. And this was different from culture to culture. It's hard to discuss this subject and traditional family models without being specific about certain cultures, and I think the assumption is that most of us are from Christian European or Northern Asia (Russian) decent, and so it's our experience and what we've been talking about. However, it's my understanding that there are only a few exceptions to this in the typical family in a handful of cultures. (The ones I'm aware of are African and Native American.) And there are always exceptions inside each culture, too. There are plenty of cases of head-strong matriarchs who just wouldn't be intimidated they the social norms and led the family, both in fact and in fiction.

[shubla]

maybe in future we can get 3 non binary members to each family so they can have a vote about all the things
Hooray for equality

[Jalpha]

Dictators do get things done. I think the origins of the male female family model were good, when I think of the ideal I think of the Roman soldiers who fought and looted and when they finally were free of the military they bought a large property, a number of slaves and a wife to manage it all for them.

I'm sure it wasn't a terrible position for her.

But somewhere man lost his trust in women and began to opress her. Both sides are I believe equally to blame.

Regardless we now have to move onto something new.

[arcolithe]

P.S. statistics are typically approximations.

More accurately, they're a sampling of the whole population and, if done properly, will have a standard deviation from true accuracy by only a few percentage based on the size of the sample.

Nah, they are sometimes subject to population parameters, because it imitates the whole population perfectly.
A great example is done here:
https://evans.uw.edu/sites/default/file ... _Final.pdf
see pg10, Fig 3.

professional criticism on that paper done here:
http://fortune.com/2017/06/27/seattle-m ... dollar-uw/
sadly, by someone with only a 4 year degree and written in a completely subjective tone (didn't talk about other possibly methodologies, or statistical accuracy checks)

Unless it comes from census data

Yeah but census data easily loses in descriptive data against longitudinal datas (data that frequents a same population to view shorter-span changes)
Hard to view trends with only 10 year points to refer to.

Country? World-wide? Include number of "blended" families where parents have remarried after break-up/divorce? These numbers can vary widely from country to country.

Yeah they do, criticsm against Australia's statistical source from the OP.
Family planning issues aren't as transitive, especially when you have 'cultural imperialism' as a theory.


Also, here is a short essay I wrote on convention of cultural diversity.

What is ‘cultural imperialism’? Imperialism here refers to disparity in the relationship of two groups, with rules favoring the “more powerful” group. Cultural imperialism then is the practice of promoting and imposing cultures from a politically powerful society onto a less politically powerful society. This follows Marx’s philosophy of cultural hegemony, which is the domination of social practices by the ruling class to become the social norm of that society, viewing industrialized or economically influential countries as the ruling class setting social norms of the world.

However, how accurate are the assumptions on ‘cultural imperialism’? Appiah (2006) states how interactions with a Zulu man who received cultural imperialism from Western media (TV series and movies), but it was not the expected manipulation from the multinational capitalism's ruling sector. Instead he was influenced on values with treating females and elders equally. The human development report does a cross-sectional analysis of country’s economic strengths, adversely weighted by disparity. In a sense, with everyone as equals, there would be an increased rate of uniformity in behaviors, which would decrease cultural diversity. Meaning that this does violate the convention of cultural diversity, but is it wrong?

Currently, the Human Development Report covers issues that have disparity: health, education and income. We can see the effects of Human Development Report and awareness to gender disparity issues. Rosenburg (2017) finds western society against China’s one child policy, possibly influencing the decision on removing this policy. Despite never directly approaching China on the matter, this I still consider to be ‘cultural imperialism.’

In Goldin (2002) the idea of contamination, described as pollution, is proven to be untrue. This connects her experiment of seeing if “desire by men to maintain their occupational status or prestige” with Appiah’s contamination idea that “promote the creation of desires that can be fulfilled only by the purchase and use of their products” as they both question the traditional culture with women’s rights. In Goldin’s study, she found that “society has imperfect information regarding changes in technology and infers change from observables. One of these observables is the sex.” Regarding this towards cultural imperialism, there could be imperfect information regarding the elimination of cultural diversity as the media can become integrated into the ruling class’s social norms, but the tails of the population distribution are likely to still hold strong ties to tradition. As a mode of protecting humans right for all genders and races, I believe cultural imperialism should not set limitations to protection.



Sources:

Appiah, Kwame Anthony. “The Case for Contamination.” The New York Times, The New York Times, 1 Jan. 2006, http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/01/magaz ... ation.html.

Rosenburg, Matt. “China’s One Child Policy.” ThoughtCo., 7 Mar. 2017, https://www.thoughtco.com/chinas-one-ch ... cy-1435466

Bullock, Alan; Trombley, Stephen, Editors (1999), The New Fontana Dictionary of Modern Thought Third Edition, pp. 387-388

Goldin, C. (2002). “A Pollution Theory of Discrimination: Male and Female Differences in Occupations and Earnings." National Bureau of Economic Research, No. w8985.

I bolded the tl;dr bits, the other source thats not included is Human Development Report by the UNDP hdr.undp.org I think.

[MagicManICT]

Thanks for the read.

Might be worth noting, since you mentioned China's "one child" policy there,that there is internal pressure to end the policy, too. A lot of men are looking at lifetime bachelorhood or leaving the country due to the population disparity. I saw a news report on this a few years ago... I think through Vice.com, but might have been another investigative journalism site.

[ricky]

Thanks for the read.

Might be worth noting, since you mentioned China's "one child" policy there,that there is internal pressure to end the policy, too. A lot of men are looking at lifetime bachelorhood or leaving the country due to the population disparity. I saw a news report on this a few years ago... I think through Vice.com, but might have been another investigative journalism site.

I don't know why arcolithe's article doesn't mention it, but China's 'one child policy' was relaxed to a 'two child policy' at the end of 2015.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015- ... 955448.htm