Trump & Kim Jong Un sign a ‘historic document’

[NOOBY93]

But in CaddoPuma's case, both conservatism and a lack of intelligence are both clearly evident.

With grammar like that, you really shouldn't be commenting on the intellect of others.

Robben's grammar is pretty on point except that little slip. Besides, why does it matter?

[Potjeh]

Nah, it's much worse than caddo's Dutch grammar.

[CaddoPuma]

Nah, it's much worse than caddo's Dutch grammar.

You are correct. Dutch is not one of the 4 languages I know. Those would be (ranging from most fluent to least) English, Spanish, American Sign Language, and French.

[Robben_DuMarsch]

We've made a few key concessions.
North Korea is now back to releasing statements calling us gangsters.
Pressure has been relieved internationally.
Tensions have diminished and we are no closer to denuclearization than we ever were.
The only ground we've gained is the closure of the testing facility that was no longer viable anyway.

I'm not saying there is an easy solution, but it's unfair to say that this new direction of policy on North Korea has been an effective nuclear deterrent.

Further sanctions are necessary, not yielding to false charm offensives, which is a tried and tested tactic of North Korea.

We should reaffirm our commitment to good faith negotiations, but put a deadline in the creation of a bilateral plan towards progress.

Once that deadline passes, the goal should be creating a consensus path towards denuclearization with our regional allies with definitive deadlines, and state that failure to meet these deadlines will result in the end of the suspension of war games, and renewed efforts to increase economic sanctions.

[fallout]

Certainly not the only one in thinking that Trump was escalating, or rather deliberately tried to make it seem like the situation was escalating for months prior just for him to come to an "Historic" meeting and then want to nominate himself for prizes and praise world wide?

And that many have bit down on the ladle eating it up?

[Robben_DuMarsch]

And that many have bit down on the ladle eating it up?

Of course they have. As a country we've never before had so much information available to us to allow us to make informed decisions.

However so many of us look for affirmation of our beliefs, and avoid cognitive dissonance, and therefore fail to take advantage of the wealth of knowledge available.

Even in a nation filled to the brim with people of different races, creeds, and backgrounds, we still fall into sectarianism and scapegoating, at the expense of our nation. People like CaddoPuma are perfect examples:

It comes from the reputation of America as a "Christian Nation" - a reputation which it still has but sadly no longer deserves - and our long standing support of and alliance with Israel. Remember Islam hates Judaism and Christianity. Always has and always will. The rest of the minutiae are just either excuses or results of the root of religious hatred.

This is exactly the sort of anti-"other" sentiment that Trump and other nationalist/populist right wing groups have captalized upon. Many of them actually accurately identify real problems in society (crime, income inequality, shifts in employment that marginalize historical groups), then they give "solutions" grounded in existing prejudice: Immigrants are the problem, other countries are stealing our jobs, taxes don't work anyway because the rich will just overseas their income, etc.

It's an echo box. Not problem solving.

[CaddoPuma]

...Tensions have diminished...it's unfair to say that this new direction of policy on North Korea has been an effective nuclear deterrent...

It appears to me you contradict yourself. Lower tensions = less likely hood of hostilities of any kind, least of all nuclear war. You are correct that we do have a long way to go, but at least for the first time since the 1950's we are moving in the correct direction. I pretty much concur with the rest of your analysis.

Certainly not the only one in thinking that Trump was escalating, or rather deliberately tried to make it seem like the situation was escalating for months prior just for him to come to an "Historic" meeting and then want to nominate himself for prizes and praise world wide?

And that many have bit down on the ladle eating it up?

A consensus doesnt constitute a fact. It doesnt matter how many agree with you. If you are wrong, you are all wrong. Nor does it matter how many agree with mew. If we are wrong, we're just a bunch of incorrect people. Only time will tell...or it's possible we may never completely understand all of the hidden results. I understand your perspective and I cannot be intellectually honest by denying your perspective has some merit and very well may be accurate. And yet, I believe you perspective is incorrect. I believe when the tin pot despot talks big, Pres. Trump talks bigger and backs his words with American might. It's called standing up to the bully. The bully backed down and came to the table to talk. And Pres. Trump was willing to let leave the past in the past and offer Rocket Man the benefit of the doubt, meet him at the table, and hash out our differences. Now the bully is trying to save face among his crew by talking big again. And if it hasnt already happened, Pres. Trump will once again stand up to the bully and tell him to poop or clear the seat.

[CaddoPuma]

...we still fall into sectarianism and scapegoating, at the expense of our nation. People like CaddoPuma are perfect examples:...This is exactly the sort of anti-"other" sentiment that Trump and other nationalist/populist right wing groups have captalized upon.

Is this not the pot calling the Kettle black? Are not you and the left equally guilty of scapegoating? Is not the above a perfect example of you scapegoating?

..."solutions" grounded in existing prejudice:...

Jim Crowe Laws, the KKK, Pitching poor against rich, Minorities against whites, Women against men, Secular against religious ... Talk about "Anti-'others'"! It is the Democrats who have always been rife with prejudice. Conservatives have always been about what's best for America and Americans... ALL Americans, not just the Americans who share our political and social views.

...Immigrants are the problem...

Umm, you missed a VERY important word there. "ILLEGAL". Conservatives have never had an issue with people who abide by the rule of law, regardless of their port of origin. Furthermore, Conservatives have NEVER said ANY one issue is THE problem. This nation has MANY problems. But they are still fewer than the problems of any other nation in the world. Illegal immigration is A problem and part of Making America Great Again is to address MANY, if not all of those problems. But you can only eat an elephant 1 bite at a time and the Illegal Immigration issue is high on the priority list we American Voters gave him to fix, along with American Jobs, The American Economy, Government corruption, and more.

It's an echo box. Not problem solving.

You are so guilty of the very things of which you accuse conservatives. There's no bigger echo box than the Left Wing media. And you want to talk about problem solving? For all the blather from the left about helping minorities, it took a Conservative administration to bring unemployment levels to historical record lows among blacks, hispanics, and women. President Obama's 8 years boasted the highest number of Americans ever on the public dole. In less than 2 years, President Trump has reversed the trend. It looks like a lot of problem solving to me.

[Potjeh]

There are no conservatives in the Republican party, it's all neocons.

[CaddoPuma]

There are no conservatives in the Republican party, it's all neocons.

Spoken like someone who has no understanding of either conservatives, Republicans, or neocons.