Human Population Through Time

[rhzk]

That's it ... nothing too weird. If I need to send a man on a very cold planet, I will send an Inuit, not an African .....

You now compared biology with culture. Why? Of course, culture affects the brain. But do not compare different things. Otherwise, according to your logic, English-speakers PHYSICALLY are less capable of philosophy. Which is not true.

Well, in part it's true .... I know we live in an era of "politically correct", but those are bullshits, not the truth.

If you grown up in a context where you're used to certain things and not to others your brain will change according to that, so, it would be overall harder to change how you look at certain things.
In case, the difference in the context comprehends also physical changes, like weather, hot and cold, not only our brain will change but also our body.

I would bet with you 100 dollars if we pick a random guy in Italy vs a random guy in USA, the italian guy would be overall more capable to talk with a philosoper than the american guy. Cause the language, cause the context, cause the tradition, cause how we envision the world.

And on the other side, the American guy overall will be more capable to talk about some other stuff.

That's why diversity is important.

Show me the body changes (except brain) that have Italian and dont have the white American. Maybe three arms or four legs? There is nothing with physical or body changes, what nation or tradition you live. You are the human who can learn anything (if you do not talk about pathology or diseasesed ppl). And if I study philosophy, I know that much how much I study - culture can help with it, family or situation can, but not the differences with my body or what language I speaking. Its obvious. Again, you compare small Italy and huge USA (thanks I take your 100 dollars).

[sMartins]

I take a couple issues with this. First off, you've switched from "English speaking" to "American". Those groups, while not mutually exclusive are not identical; there are Americans who do not speak English and there are English-speakers who are not American.

Secondly, we are not talking about random people. We are talking about philosophers.

While I agree with you that being politically correct is sometimes (frequently?) bullshit, being small-minded enough to discount the works of a large and diverse group of philosophers simply based on their primary language is worse.

Camon you know what I mean and my english sucks, with Americans I mean USA people.

Secondly, as I said, Philosophers talks to people, to the community .... they try to show how things really are to free people from their own chains.
So based on the context where you are talking, also the speeching will change.
And as I said I don't consider you guys particularly good in this discipline .... well lets be completly honest, I consider your rigid material and pragmatic vision of the world very bad ... it's about brits mostly, then you.

[sMartins]

Show me the body changes (except brain) that have Italian and dont have the white American. Maybe three arms or four legs? There is nothing with physical or body changes, what nation or tradition you live. You are the human who can learn anything (if you do not talk about pathology or diseasesed ppl). And if I study philosophy, I know that much how much I study - culture can help with it, family or situation can, but not the differences with my body or what language I speaking. Its obvious. Again, you compare small Italy and huge USA (thanks I take your 100 dollars).

Idk, If I have to bet I'd choose the nose size, I'd bet Italian have overall bigger nose than americans ... who knows?
For sure we have overall darker skin, cause more sun. (well, not considering your Afro guys ) Idk to be honest your composition in USA? do you know? are you mainly guys from north europe? Probably you are a bit of everything these days, like many countries.
There are always differences. In everything.

[rhzk]

And as I said I don't consider you guys particularly good in this discipline .... well lets be completly honest, I consider your rigid material and pragmatic vision of the world very bad ... it's about brits mostly, then you.

I am Russian (Moscow) and culturally closer to Italy, not to America. And I'm closer to science, not philosophy. But above all I am a critical thinking person. Thats being said.

[sMartins]

Ah ok sorry then, I was meaning Americans.
Lets stay strong there in Russia!
I love this song not Russian, but close ...
Crni Bombarder

[sMartins]

but not the differences with my body or what language I speaking

The language we speak vastly affects how we think.
We can think only with the words we know, so language is strictly related.
You speak English as well, so you speak 2 languages like me, it's easier for us to see how English is different, how it's structured, it follows a different path of thinking compared to our languages.
Indeed me, as a subordinate English learner, that means I learned English once I was already grown up, I don't speak English, that's why probably a lot of people here don't understand a shit of what I'm saying, cause when I speak English, in reality I'm speaking Italian translated to English, that doesn't make any sense.
The costruct in my mind is Italian mainly ..... I learned some typical english way of thinking, but just a few ..... 90% of time I'm speaking Italian translated to english,I bet you do the same, you speak russian translated to english, you don't speak english.
Very hard to do that, if you haven't learned a second language since when you were a baby.

The benefits of a bilingual brain - Mia Nacamulli

[jorb]

Quit being Jordan Peterson and crediting western culture to Christianity. Everything good about Europe comes from the Greeks and Romans. All Christianity has done is hold us back, as evident by rapid ascendance of Europe just as the Church lost it's power and people rediscovered classic Greek works. If Europe was never christianized we'd probably have colonized Mars by now.

Haha, wow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_university

[shubla]

We can think only with the words we know,

Your logic is stupid.
You can think of things that you don't know words to describe.

Though I do think that there are differences for sure on how individuals think depending on what language(s) they speak. But I don't think that there are major differences in how for example, Finnish and italian people think. To see some differences we would have to go geographically further away from these areas, to lets say, Japan, where the language has evolved in isolation from many others. I guess that some random isolated tribes would also work for comparison.
But even then the differences are only slight, and people can generally think the same way, understand the same concepts and so on. Even though their languages differ in not only words, but many many other aspects.

All Christianity has done is hold us back,

I agree with jorb, christianity has done a lot of cool things too. Saying something like that is idiotic, no one knows what would have happened without christianity, probably some another religion.
I hate when people say something like "if x thing had not happened in the past, we would have y thing by now", because no one knows what would have happened, it is not that simple.

[MagicManICT]

The benefits of a bilingual brain - Mia Nacamulli

I speak computer. Does that count?

@jorb: I don't think what Granger proposes is surrender. It's called balance. "Evil" is purely a concept of man to describe when "random acts" occur that upset others. If we don't find that balance, we're going to be fulfilling every other prophecy ever penned of an apocalypse. We might as well all just /wrist and make it easy. TBH, I think you're just trolling this discussion, but maybe this is your ethical view of the world. /shrug

If Europe was never christianized we'd probably have colonized Mars by now.

Haha, wow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_university

Could also add that if it weren't for the "Europeans," then we might not have lost some of those great works in the first place. Wasn't it the sacking of Rome that started the complete collapse of the Empire? (It's at least considered such by historians, anyway.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_(410).

TBH, I think the Christianization of Europe is probably what led to faster recovery from the Dark Ages. Otherwise, there'd have been a mess of small tribal wars and such for much longer. Of course, the corruption and "absolute rule" of Christianity held the advancement of Europe through the sciences back due to the purging of heretical teachings. However, great knowledge requires previous knowledge to build upon. As jorb points out, it was the establishment of universities in Europe that helped recover lost knowledge and discover new that led to the Renaissance. After all, the Chinese, Indians, and Arabs were marching along with their own knowledge, but it seems they were being stingy with it not sharing the secrets of gunpowder, steel processing, etc, so there was progress, just not much. The universities published and (more or less) shared knowledge.

[sMartins]

Your logic is stupid.
You can think of things that you don't know words to describe.

Your face is stupid , joking.
Rational thought is very different than feeling a sensation .... Can We think without words/language?

I speak computer. Does that count?

I guess so ... also brain intensive, tho it's a dumb language, pure rationality, probably not stimluating as a real language for your brain
Btw, that thing of the The benefits of a bilingual brain, I don't know if it's true or not, for sure must be some benefits using your brain vs not using it.
But I was mainly pointing it out to show how we learn a new language.