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Re: ded forums?

Postby MagicManICT » Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:01 pm

shubla wrote:Tracking device in your pocket is very handy. For navigation, a phone with map application and gps to show where you are is really useful!

I learned to navigate the old fashioned way: a map. I also know how to navigate using chains, levels, and protractor.

I will say a smart phone is good for keeping me occupied while I wait in the bus station for my ride (cause to hell with the TSA).
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Re: ded forums?

Postby Hrenli » Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:04 pm

shubla wrote:For navigation, a phone with map application and gps to show where you are is really useful!


I agree it is useful sometimes. But to be fair:

1. people managed to navigate without it for ages.
2. for gps navigation you don't need to be connected and send your position to someone else.

I personally don't mind it and use gps in my phone without hesitation. If someone is really bothered to track me down it's not so hard with my current lifestyle anyway. But I also see young people of the internet era getting so used to rely on what the phone tells them that they don't have a fucking clue where they are if phone is not there or doesn't work. They can't even walk two blocks in an urban area without getting lost, I am not even talking about a wilderness... It's frigging disgrace for the humanity.
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Re: ded forums?

Postby shubla » Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:07 pm

MagicManICT wrote:
shubla wrote:Tracking device in your pocket is very handy. For navigation, a phone with map application and gps to show where you are is really useful!

I learned to navigate the old fashioned way: a map. I also know how to navigate using chains, levels, and protractor.

I will say a smart phone is good for keeping me occupied while I wait in the bus station for my ride (cause to hell with the TSA).

I guess map works in sensible countries like Finland.
I've mainly used maps for going around in forests though, for that they are handy as GPS and internet may suck in middle of large ridges and such.

But in some countries, there are no names for roads and addresses of buildings are basically random numbers. (Looking at you japan)
Which makes using maps or any other instructions a bit tricky.

And yeah GPS is not trackable, but if you use it from phone which is connected to phone network etc. then they can track you.
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Re: ded forums?

Postby VDZ » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:18 pm

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MightySheep wrote:whether people like discord or not is pretty irrelevant because the fact is everyone uses it so feel free to stay stuck in the past and miss out on conversations lol

This. Discord versus IRC is a dumb thing to argue over. More people use discord, so if you want to keep up with what's going on in the game you should probably use it.


You're just contributing to the problem. Everytime someone goes 'well, everyone is using it so I might as well move my stuff there too', usability and reliability decreases. Discord's (commercial) interests do not align with those of its users, so it will only grow shittier over time and soon enough cease to exist, phased out in favor of the next new thing.
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Re: ded forums?

Postby MagicManICT » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:22 pm

VDZ wrote:it will only grow shittier over time and soon enough cease to exist, phased out in favor of the next new thing.

Welcome to Web 2.0... Same shit, different decade.

I will have to say Gopher and WAIS were smartly replaced by new tech. That was a most excellent technology upgrade. Yet nobody has managed to replace IRC. (I really thought Usenet would have lasted longer, but that was a chaotic mess and too many legal issues come to find out. It still exists, but does anyone even look at it these days?)
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Re: ded forums?

Postby NeoBasilisk » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:27 pm

Just wait until the venture capitalists start expecting Discord to start turning a profit. Then the fun times will truly begin.
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Re: ded forums?

Postby Ysh » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:30 pm

I think ''maybe one day they will make discord shit'' is not very compelling argument to convince the men to stop use discord. This argument implies that discord is not shit today.
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Re: ded forums?

Postby MagicManICT » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:32 pm

NeoBasilisk wrote:Just wait until the venture capitalists start expecting Discord to start turning a profit. Then the fun times will truly begin.

They did introduce the game store. maybe that's going to be their means of making the platform profitable. If it works and everything else can stay free and "untainted" of Facebook-like problems, I'll quit complaining about it.

doesn't look good, though.
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Re: ded forums?

Postby Agame » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:34 pm

About Disco: Many applications are cool when they start, to attract users. Then they start using more and more resources for nothing useful, users hesitate, then the milking for $ of what was once a good and useful application starts, urging users to find something else. It's a kind of usual life cycle of applications, games included. I did not really used IRC, I first met Messenger. It went this route and disappeared when Skype was small, efficient, doing only what we needed it to do. But Skype got a ton of useless features, grew like a monster, then started showing commercials. Teamspeak was the only solution, though it lacked some of the features users needed. But TS started to grow, to have other features than those we missed from Skype, and then Discord appeared.
Some day Whats'up entered the Android market. Today it already started growing too large for what it does...

I am definitely sure Discord will walk the same path. IDK what will be next, but I am sure some other application will fill the empty place left by Discord. Everything you need to know is how it's named this year's chat application. It's too bad IRC never grew too big for what it did or started giving unneeded commercials, but users simply moved on because they were used to move on due to all the other applications.

About GPS: Google maps was the first software I know to actually make use of the fact the GSM network needs to know what is the closest relay of theirs to your device all the time, to keep your signal at decent levels while you move around, by switching your connection from relay to relay. So anyone having access to that data can make a simple triangulation and tell your position with a few meters error every second your device is connected to any GSM network. It's been like this even since the first mobile device (a phone) was invented. But most people only realized this AFTER GPS satellites were used for some years and only when Google Maps made known to everybody that you can either use GPS either the GSM data with almost similar precision.

Nowadays if you have some reason to hide, do not forget all your devices connect to data by using GSM network, and even if you stop them all cold, your car still has a connection that you can NOT shut down. It's used to send your exact coords to the emergency service of your country whenever airbags pop up. Due to this, some paramedics help will head your way even if your car crash disabled you and you can't call them personally. It's made to save lives, but it also means your car has become a permanently connected device, so it is permanently located by the GSM networks.

Ages when mobs could hit and run are long gone. Surveillance cameras are so cheap that even if you walk around without a car or any GSM connected device, any software for facial recognition can find you in any city and even on the main roads between cities. We all live in an era where nobody can hide anymore. And it's not very bad, unless you really need to hide, lol!
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Re: ded forums?

Postby Ysh » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:38 pm

Agame wrote:your car still has a connection that you can NOT shut down

I think there do not exist a machine that can not be shut down.
Agame wrote:Ages when mobs could hit and run are long gone. Surveillance cameras are so cheap that even if you walk around without a car or any GSM connected device, any software for facial recognition can find you in any city and even on the main roads. We all live in an era where nobody can hide anymore. And it's not very bad, unless you really need to hide, lol!

Surveillance camera is not so ubiquitous in my lands, but if they are, there is way to obscure your face if you really must do this.
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