Is the game dying already due to group/faction murder hobos?

[azrid]

I'm not really saying anything in particular about combat, except that it sucks.

It's vaguely fun in a group scenario, but that's mostly because it's a matter of team coordination, which basically any game with group combat also has.

The devs don't seem to have any clear vision for what combat should be, so all their combat rework attempts have failed. The only real hope for a good combat rework is loftar saying they've considered hiring someone specifically to make a combat system.

This! The combat of haven is a game within a game.
Its been pretty much the same for a very long time now. Meanwhile other pvp games have consistent pvp rebalances to keep the pvp fresh and exciting. Discovering new metas happens way more often in other pvp games that has a team specifically developing that aspect of the game.

I think its out of the question to completely change the pvp system we have right now as they have attempted before. They should consider adding to the existing one as most people have accepted this system.
More moves! More weapons! More armors!

[ErdTod]

If Haven's a PvP game then why PvP is the least fun aspect of it? I am all in for open-PvP, and the permadeath, and open-loot and etc. - these features do indeed make it much more thrilling than playing Farmville, but what I am asking for is that I have fun fighting even if I am in the place of a victim of a gank. Like, sure, I'd very likely loose to lack of skill, lack of equipment or lack of stats compared to a zealous PvPer, but at least I'd have fun while doing so. Today that's not the case.

Imagine if you'd play a game of League for 40 minutes, and all these 40 minutes suck total ass, and then when you lose the game you also loose some random skin of your champion. That is how HnH PvP feels to me rn.

[Apocoreo]

If Haven's a PvP game then why PvP is the least fun aspect of it?

Short answer opinion + poor design. I think you have a point though.

Fact is, Haven is a pvp game but not exclusively a pvp game. If they want it to be something different, they should change the about page.

[roskuwacz]

If Haven's a PvP game then why PvP is the least fun aspect of it?

Short answer opinion + poor design. I think you have a point though.

Fact is, Haven is a pvp game but not exclusively a pvp game. If they want it to be something different, they should change the about page.

Find something there about PvP. Just for once read About page. here -> https://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/about

For PvP there was a approach of somehow implementing Combat from Salem which was much more fun and based on skill yet after trial server on Valhalla it was removed due do meta break or whatever silly reason. Yet I would love to see it in live server and have a tweaks on it. There would be something to build upon.

[MightySheep]

The point: --->
You: 웃

Your 'point' in every post in every thread at its core can basically be summarized as "waaaaa". They start off normal like a complaint about combat mechanics etc but they always end up like waaaa its impossible to fight back waaaa it's impossible to build archery tower waaaa it's impossible to run. Go through ur post history lol you'll see I'm right.

I'm willing to bet you've never been good at any video game with this mentality. I don't know why you think a change to the game mechanics would change anything for you. I'm fairly certain you'd be a loser victim making excuses with literally any pvp system. No matter how noob friendly they made it.

[Kaios]

Okay I'm going through my post history right now.

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Nope. Looks great.

[Apocoreo]

If Haven's a PvP game then why PvP is the least fun aspect of it?

Short answer opinion + poor design. I think you have a point though.

Fact is, Haven is a pvp game but not exclusively a pvp game. If they want it to be something different, they should change the about page.

Find something there about PvP. Just for once read About page. here -> https://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/about

For PvP there was a approach of somehow implementing Combat from Salem which was much more fun and based on skill yet after trial server on Valhalla it was removed due do meta break or whatever silly reason. Yet I would love to see it in live server and have a tweaks on it. There would be something to build upon.

I was really hoping some fuck wasn't going to bring that up. How do you test the mettle of an Empire without warfare? The fuck is the point of anything other than an idealistic commune without force.

Can't comment about salem

[roskuwacz]

I was really hoping some fuck wasn't going to bring that up. How do you test the mettle of an Empire without warfare? The fuck is the point of anything other than an idealistic commune without force.

Can't comment about salem

I am glad you finally found time to read the About page you mentioned before and as you pointed there is nothing about PvP or as you try to imply it is hidden in part "Having progressed far enough, players will, in time, be able to organize themselves into societies, from simple tribes and villages, progressing through republics, nation states and, ultimately, empires."

[azrid]

If Haven's a PvP game then why PvP is the least fun aspect of it?

Because they got talked down from adding a great combat system(salem combat) by a small group of people. I think the reason was "you can bot this ". I don't buy it.

[ErdTod]

Salem skillshot system was much better that what we currently have, I wish they'd give it another go...