Make haven greater again

[LadyV]

Allow me to share an insight into MMO life...and I guess real life. It is the common misconception that we are the whole. Although that is not untrue but it is the individuals that makes up the whole. The whole does not define us, we create its definition. So what does this mean in game terms?

You have the tools for which to create civilization. What is stopping you? To be given civilization instead of forming it reverses what I have just said. You allow the whole to dictate to you. Make your own world. Craft it with care and hard work. Forge that which you seek. Artificial tools are merely there to help. It is you, all of you, that create the outcome.

Ironic the greatest thing you have to entertain with is your mind and will. Maybe if you exerted it instead of waiting for others to hand you a thing you would realize that which makes you happy comes form you. If you need a tool create it or advocate for it. Shape the world you want. Do not have it shaped for you. You will never be happy with someone else' will dictating your outcome. You know you best.

The only true limitations are that which you set for yourself.

[Avu]

Someone has been reading too many motivational posters me thinks. Reality works a bit different though and haven even more so. No matter how much you try you unless yourself extremely gifted won't fucking outrun africans in the speed or marathon, won't solve deeply complicated mathematical problems or have perfect recall. In haven you are fighting against people more often than not more experienced than you, more numerous, with more time on their hands, using more powerful tools (clients bots alts) and the most important of all more loyal to each other. Some of these issues you can overcome but most nope.

[satanXsatan]

Don't fall back on insults Avu. Motivational posters are retarded, everyone knows that and one CAN have personal ideology that they formed without reading motivational posters. That was retarded Avu. What LadyV meant I think was that if you can't beat an obstacle it's wiser to adapt and go around it instead of complaining, whining and trying to go trough it. Ofcourse you can't outrun african marathoners or Jamaican 100m runners so you don't go complaining to olympic committee that you can't compete with them. Instead go create your own running club and invite people you want.

[Avu]

Thing is making your own running club is easy just get a bunch of people with nothing better to do and some out of traffic space. The International Athletism Organization whatever be its name won't give a fuck if you do and might even appreciate it due to increased exposure and revenues due to publicit it also doesn't hold patents on running nor does it force people to compete at the speeds the jamaicans can pull off. Making your own game is also not feasible for the vast majority of people and for those that have the knowhow most would rather spend their talent on something vastly more profitable and even if they did it would still not be haven copyright and all. However if all jorb and loftar did was give us slowpoke two left feet white dudes (please note that jobless russians are the blacks of our story here so you can keep up with the metaphor) our own racing track where we can run around at our own pace everything would be ok. Some problems you just can't solve yourself. The only sane way to deal with this would be quitting and you know most people do.

[satanXsatan]

totally. I've quit. I would be surprised if the developers would just suddenly change their mind 'Hey why do we have unreasonable character skill progression'. They won't. They want this type of game. It's been like this since the start of the game. I don't think they see it as a problem.

[sMartins]

Indeed it's not a problem...but the beauty of this game, that you have no restrictions...you are completely free to do whatever you want...not like others games where you have invisible walls, literally or in the game design also.
In my opinion this could be solved with numbers....
A wolf alone can kill a sheep only cause the whole flock of sheeps doesn't work togethere, but we are not sheeps.
The recently Realm improvements are a good step in that direction and we'll see if they will work better, but I still think it's a bit too complicated feature, too artificial, that require advanced players, etc...(before player discover what realms are,etc...)
My opinion is that we need a more "natural" feature that incentivate people to play together from the beginning of the game, of course if they want, but the game should show to them from the beginning that path.
This could be done in many different ways, with hunting, with "ideal" location to settle, or idk....with some fun feature that will make more convenient while having fun playing the game with people you meet in the widerness instead of being able to do everything by your own.
Maybe, and I said Maybe, we could even mark players between "good" or "evil", this to help with the trust between players around the world, etc...we need to give them some kind of identity, to cooperate, to play together to reach the same aim.....in short we need to give them something to fight together perhaps, that's why I spoke about hunting also.
Giving to player a common enemy at the start of the game (like animals), perhaps they will be more inclined to play togethere...we already have ducks,etc..
Some step in this direction is already been made....personally I think that some "ideal" place to settle, easy to understand from the beginning of the game could solve definately this thing....but perhaps would also add a bit more of restrictions to the game, but I guess it depends on how it would be implemented.
It should be conveninet but not mandatory.....like having more inventory space for verified and subscribed accounts, that initially I criticized, I thought it would be a bad idea tbh, now instead I think It's a very good idea.

P.S.
Maybe in the future with heat and cold ( if they will add it) would be easier to concentrate people on certain locations on the map.....
Perhaps we could even aim to different "ideal" locations based on players progression, for nooby will be more convenient to settle in certain areas, once you develop your char would be more convenient settle in others locations, and so on....

[Belliaum]

With all the fucking slaughter going on when the fuck are the devs gonna realize we need a much larger map!?

There is litteraly nowhere to go, the map is full of assholes who kill people for fun, none of them are playing the game to fight the elements they just wanna laugh as they kill people who cannot defend themselves.

Make the fucking map 1000 times larger than it currently is ffs!

[isdel]

Posting more isn't gonna make it any more likely. You'd have better luck checking back in June or so, assuming there's even an expansion this world.

[Belliaum]

Posting more isn't gonna make it any more likely. You'd have better luck checking back in June or so, assuming there's even an expansion this world.

When all I can do is whine, I whine.

[Aceb]

Try harder or settle underground =)

People still report that there are areas where it is still clam enough and so much space.

But I will admit, world could be a little bigger... not that it will help us right now. It's too late, unless world be so expanded that everyone suddenly will be again in the center.

Keep tryin =)