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Re: Trump & Kim Jong Un sign a ‘historic document’

Postby CaddoPuma » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:39 am

Robben_DuMarsch wrote:
CaddoPuma wrote:An interesting position that shows how much of dat koolaid yall been drinking.:
Yet another example of "anti- ' other' " rhetoric. It's not enough to disagree. You have to use hyperbolic analogies to put anyone who disagrees with you on the same level as murderous cult leaders.

Robben_DuMarsch wrote:The words "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States"
How disingenuous of you to only use 2/3 of the quote. let's see the rest of what Candidate Trump said "...until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on,”

That word "until" denotes TEMPORARY. When you have to edit quotes in order to make them appear to support your case, you have no case to support. Talk about anti-other rhetoric! Careful, your hate is showing, along with your dishonesty.
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Re: Trump & Kim Jong Un sign a ‘historic document’

Postby Robben_DuMarsch » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:42 pm

CaddoPuma wrote:
Robben_DuMarsch wrote:
CaddoPuma wrote:An interesting position that shows how much of dat koolaid yall been drinking.:
You have to use hyperbolic analogies


I lol'ed. I guess given your religious background the implied meaning of drinking koolaid is both extreme and appropriate.
At least I didn't sic Ishmael on you.

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Robben_DuMarsch wrote:The words "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States"
How disingenuous of you to only use 2/3 of the quote. let's see the rest of what Candidate Trump said "...until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on,”

That word "until" denotes TEMPORARY. When you have to edit quotes in order to make them appear to support your case, you have no case to support. Talk about anti-other rhetoric! Careful, your hate is showing, along with your dishonesty.


I never said it wasn't temporary. Whether it is temporary or permanent is absolutely immaterial to me. That was your restatement of my position in straw man form.
Your position was that Trump's travel ban wasn't anti-muslim, just anti-terrorist. I proved you wrong using your idol's own words, broheim.
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Re: Trump & Kim Jong Un sign a ‘historic document’

Postby CaddoPuma » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:08 pm

Robben_DuMarsch wrote:Your position was that Trump's travel ban wasn't anti-muslim, just anti-terrorist. I proved you wrong using your idol's own words, broheim.
And your position is proven wrong by the fact that many Muslim countries are not included in the moratorium and Venezuela, which has approximately 0% Muslim population, is included. It's about proven enemies of the US, not about Muslims. We both know President Trump is often inconcise and extreme in his word choices. I find it interesting that you take his words at face value when it fits your agenda and mock him as being irrational the rest of the time.
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Re: Trump & Kim Jong Un sign a ‘historic document’

Postby Robben_DuMarsch » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:23 pm

So, if I decree:
"All people named CaddoPuma are banned from Haven, but also people from Venezuela."

I haven't instituted a CaddoPuma ban, because nobody from Venezeula is CaddoPuma?
Interesting logic there.

I think I'll use proper reasoning, and stand by the inference that when Trump said he wanted to enact a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" he did what he said he would do. Further he didn't just say it once, he said it repeatedly, and it was even verbatim on his campaign webpage. There would be more strength to the argument that it shouldn't be taken at face value if it wasn't said repeatedly and vetted by his campaign staff.

I can see why you are religious. It seems to come very easy to you, the whole twisting words of people you idolize to mean whatever you want it to mean.
Why don't you just admit you are a closeted bigot and racist? You seem to adore using the phrase "Children of Ishmael" as a euphemistic stand-in for Muslim middle-easterners, and view them as some sort of religious/racial enemy of the good old American white Christian, with a mommy and a pappy and two to four children.
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Re: Trump & Kim Jong Un sign a ‘historic document’

Postby CaddoPuma » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:42 pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

You're accusation against me of twisting words - when you, in the same post, do exactly the same with my words - is nothing short of laughable. Yes. I did use the phrase "Children of Ishmael" once or twice. Not as a racial or religious slur, but as a historically accurate designation which no Muslim would deny. Am I also anti-semitic because in those same paragraphs I refer to Hebrews as "Children of Isaac"?

If anyone is bigoted here, it is you, against Americans and Christians.
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Re: Trump & Kim Jong Un sign a ‘historic document’

Postby Robben_DuMarsch » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:00 pm

CaddoPuma wrote:Yes. I did use the phrase "Children of Ishmael" once or twice. Not as a racial or religious slur, but as a historically accurate designation which no Muslim would deny.


Wow.
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Re: Trump & Kim Jong Un sign a ‘historic document’

Postby Potjeh » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:56 pm

Yeah, and one of the countries not included in the ban is Saudi Arabia. 15 out of 19 9/11 attackers were Saudi. Saudi Arabia is the main exporter of Wahhabism, a sect of Islam which vast majority of terrorists adhere to. And yet Trump has not only excluded them from the list, but has made a massive weapons deal with them while they're committing genocide in Yemen. Not only that, they're refusing to pay for those weapons.
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Re: Trump & Kim Jong Un sign a ‘historic document’

Postby jordancoles » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:24 pm

CaddoPuma wrote:You're accusation against me of twisting words - when you, in the same post, do exactly the same with my words

That's called paraphrasing
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Re: Trump & Kim Jong Un sign a ‘historic document’

Postby Trappin » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:36 pm

The pejorative "Koolaid." Yummy sugar water! Wait, what?

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Caption: Jim Jones, unidentified FOI Fruit of Islam member and (Eldridge Cleaver?) edit: not Cleaver but ?

From firsthand memory. I grew up in San Mateo and recall all of this happening real-time. Jim Jones was a hardcore left wing activist and ran with all the cool San Francisco leftists. At the time he was allied with Maoist-Leninist Glide Memorial church leaders on Mission Street. Concurrent of the era and apropos to the discussion are radical leftist groups like the Symbionese Liberation Army, the weirdo-cultist-leftists of Synanon, Angela Davis of the Black Panthers and Mao's cultural revolution '68-'78. The cultural revolution Maoist inspired Marin County Courthouse murders: https://www.sfgate.com/news/slideshow/1 ... 144014.php


From Calwatch:

Bay Area Democrats
John Podesta, President Obama’s new guru, just apologized for saying of Republicans, “They need to focus on executive action given that they are facing a second term against a cult worthy of Jonestown in charge of one of the houses of Congress.”

On Nov. 18, 1978 in Jonestown in Guyana, a city he started and was named after him, the “Rev.” Jim Jones induced 912 of his followers to “drink the Kool-Aid” spiked with Valium and cyanide, which is where we get that phrase. (Some accounts say it really was Flavor-Aid; other accounts say both drinks were used.) (...)

The “Rev.” Jones actually was an atheist communist con artist who used religion to build a personality cult around himself. Watch this YouTube of him and followers praising the Soviet Union singing the Soviet anthem:


https://calwatchdog.com/2013/12/18/actu ... democrats/

Note how the video is locked behind a login prompt? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMt3nKd-QZY Because people are singing Soviet songs? Pfft. Hardly. Because it outs democrat-progressive revisionism. Google routinely blocks seemingly benign video-graphic evidence to protect us from ourselves!! Hallelujah and praise Jesus! Thanks Google!


Bay Area Democrats
Jones also was deeply plugged into the Bay Area and U.S. Democratic political establishments.

According to a 2012 article on Salon, a liberal website:

“Jim Jones, the strange and charismatic leader of Peoples Temple, proved a master at politically wiring San Francisco in the mid-1970s….

“Jones soon learned that his control over a well-organized, mixed-race army of some 8,000 dedicated followers gave him major stature with San Francisco’s liberal elite. Redevelopment had bulldozed the Fillmore’s political power into the ground. But now this strange white man with the hipster shades, Indian-black hair, and cadences of a black Bible-thumper seemed to be erecting a new political power line into the rubble-strewn, crime-ridden no-man’s-land. Jones could be counted on to deliver busloads of obedient, well-dressed disciples to demonstrations, campaign rallies, and political precincts. The city’s liberal Burton machine — run by congressional powerhouse Phil Burton — quickly identified the Peoples Temple juggernaut as a potentially game-changing ally in its long battle to take over city hall.

“It was Burton ally Willie Brown – a rising force in California’s state capital — who first recognized that Jones’s organization could play a pivotal role in his friend George Moscone’s run for mayor….

“In the December runoff between Moscone and [conservative Republican John] Barbagelata, Peoples Temple went even further to secure victory for its candidate. On the eve of the election, Jones filled buses with temple members in Redwood Valley and Los Angeles and shuttled them to San Francisco. Security at polling places was lax on Election Day, and many nonresidents were able to cast their ballots for Moscone, some more than once. ‘You could have run around to 1200 precincts and voted 1200 times,’ said a bitter Barbagelata later, after losing by a whisper of a margin. But he was not the only one who claimed that the Peoples Temple stole the election for George Moscone. Temple leaders also claimed credit.

“Moscone at first tried to appease him with a harmless post on the human rights commission. But the temple leader insisted on a position that had more clout, and the mayor decided he was in no position to alienate Jones. In October 1976 Moscone announced that he was naming Jones to the San Francisco Housing Authority, which oversees the operation of the city’s public housing. The agency, the largest landlord in the city, was a notorious maze of corruption, and it provided Jones’s organization with ample opportunity for shady self-dealing. A few months later, Moscone pulled strings to promote Jones, making him chairman….”

Jones was a little bipartisan, although not deeply involved in Republican politics the way he was with Democrats:

“But Jones was also happy to exchange mutually complimentary correspondence with the offices of then-former Gov. and future President] Ronald Reagan and statesman Henry Kissinger.”

And this presidential connection:

“During the 1976 presidential campaign, Jones wangled a private meeting with Jimmy Carter’s wife, Rosalynn, at the elegant Stanford Court Hotel on Nob Hill, arriving with a security contingent that was larger than her Secret Service squad. Later Jones accompanied Moscone and a group of Democratic dignitaries who climbed aboard vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale’s private jet when it touched down at San Francisco International Airport.”

Jerry Brown
And then- and current-Gov. Jerry Brown would not be left out of the fun:

“Governor Jerry Brown sang the preacher’s praises. Congressman John Burton, Phil’s brother, lobbied the governor to appoint Jones to the high-profile board of regents, which oversaw California’s sprawling public university system.

San Francisco Supervisor – now U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein accepted an invitation to lunch with Jones and to tour Peoples Temple.”

And Harvey Milk, later assassinated with Moscone:

“But no political figures were more gushing in their praise of Jones than Willie Brown and Harvey Milk, San Francisco’s rising tribune of gay freedom. Milk, a perennial candidate for office until he finally won a supervisor’s seat in 1977, aggressively sought Jones’s political blessing. ‘Our paths have crossed,’ Milk wrote Jones during an earlier campaign for supervisor, in a letter filled with the kind of awed reverence that the cult leader demanded from his followers. ‘They will stay crossed. It is a fight that I will walk with you into . . . The first time I heard you, you made a statement: “Take one of us, and you must take all of us.” Please add my name.


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Re: Trump & Kim Jong Un sign a ‘historic document’

Postby CaddoPuma » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:04 am

jordancoles wrote:
CaddoPuma wrote:You're accusation against me of twisting words - when you, in the same post, do exactly the same with my words

That's called paraphrasing

No, it isnt. Paraphrasing is when you repeat the gist of something some has said, but not in an exact quote. Taking a single phrase I said - I.E.: "...Children of Ishmael..." - and characterizing it as a "racial and religious slur indicative of bigoted discrimination" - see what I did right there? That is a paraphrase. It isnt the exact words he used, but it's the exact meaning of the words you did use - without a shred of evidence is twisting my words.

Lets now quote the exact words he did use and let's see if the paraphrase means the same thing as the quote.
Robben_DuMarsch wrote:...Why don't you just admit you are a closeted bigot and racist? You seem to adore using the phrase "Children of Ishmael" as a euphemistic stand-in for Muslim middle-easterners, and view them as some sort of religious/racial enemy of the good old American white Christian...


Yup. I said in 8 words what it took him 48 words to say. That is what a paraphrase is.

Taking 3 words ( Children of Ishmael ) out of context - not only out of the context of my usage of the words but also out of the historical context of the origin of Arabic ethnicity - and trying to present that as proof that I "love" using that phrase - because I used it a whole 2 times up to that point - and trying to present it further as proof that the phrase itself is somehow derogatory and euphemistic; and trying further to present the same usages of those 3 simple, historically accurate words as proof that I view Muslims as religious and racial enemies of American Christians is not paraphrasing. That is a textbook example of twisting 3 words I did say into a whole paragraph of words I never said, and never would say because - although Robben thinks he has the power to discern not only my thoughts and attitudes, but also my motivations for same - that is not at all representative of my actual thoughts and feelings.
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