American Politics, in the words of an elected California Dem

[CaddoPuma]

The use of quotes is critical for one to know to what you are replying in cases where the context of your reply doesnt seem at all relevant to anything in the conversation which precedes it.

Ahahah ... dude, you are asking me: "Exactly whom did we attack, and when?"
lol ... probably even an entire human life would not be enough to answer that question.

More obfuscation and non-answers. You presented the premise. Support your claim. How about just 1-3 most recent examples?

[sMartins]

If I give you 1 or 2 recent examples, you will answer me with the bullshits you hear from the tv or read on the newspaper ... or whatever.
If we want to talk seriously about what's going on we should start at least since the crusades, when we were the barbarians, religious fundamentalist and they were the culture, science and medicine.
Briefly, to answer your question we attacked everywhere we could, as everybody knows, mainly africa and middle-east = where it matters.

[CaddoPuma]

... the crusades, when we were the barbarians, religious fundamentalist and they were the culture, science and medicine.

That wasn't America. That was the Catholic Church and a bunch of European Kings, most of whom were blinded by greed, a select few who were "useful idiots" with a sincere passion to defend the children of Abraham from the vicious onslaught from the children of Ishmael.

Briefly, to answer your question we attacked everywhere we could, as everybody knows, mainly africa and middle-east = where it matters.

Please dont be brief. Be as long-winded as necessary to make your point. Specifically, whom in Africa and the Middle-East, has America attacked, when, and how? You made the accusation. Now support it with some evidence.

[sMartins]

What you are missing is the world of ideas ... that was not just Catholic Church or a bunch of european kings, we have been togethere ever since, that were us, exactly how we are right now, with of course time adjustments.
We have always been togethere, cause we are Christians .... that's how we think, and we keep thinking the same nowdays also, and here the problem of our era, but this is another thing.
We are greedy, and moreover we are a warrior population and always have been, our art is the steel.
Christianity, briefly ( I cannot do better than that, cause 1 = I'm lazy with the english, 2 = would be too long and boring like I already tried to discuss previously on this forum) so ... briefly, thought us we are the center of the universe, we were created in God's image .... this was very clever for the time, revolutionary and it worked very well, like you can see we are the first civilization in the world ..... but, there is always a "but", we forgot what Greeks thought us " do not exceed your limit ", while we did that in every regard, first of all with ourselves, then with the nature and with others civilizations that don't even think like we think.
Greeks also said that if you do exceed your limit you are preparing your own downfall ..... now, Greeks are considered one of the most clever civilization we have ever had from many intellectuals of all times, I guess we have only to wait and see if they were right or not, I personally vote for them.

The world of ideas is what drive us, it's why we act like we do, it's how we interact with the reality ... and this is very often underestimated, they tell us when we born we are unique and all those bullshit, we born and live in a cultural context, Christiniaty for us, and we start to think and act based on that ..... then our era huge problem is that Christinaity is dead but we are still Christians ..... but this is another story.

[CaddoPuma]

...we forgot what Greeks thought us " do not exceed your limit ", while we did that in every regard, first of all with ourselves, then with the nature and with others civilizations that don't even think like we think.
Greeks also said that if you do exceed your limit you are preparing your own downfall ...

I happen to agree with this snippet, but it's not relevant to the question at hand. The question wasnt about Europe or Christianity. The question was about America. It was a very clear, concise and brief question based on a very clear, concise, and brief accusation. You say America is not about defense but has attacked Africa and the Middle East. Yet, when specifically asked repeatedly for specific evidence to support your specious claim, you not only fail to answer, but try to gaslight me with a text wall of redirection. I may have a certain level of ADHD - though I've never been diagnosed - but unlike you, I am not totally incapable of focusing on a clear and concise topic and you will not be able to distract me until you give me a clear and concise answer to my clear and concise question which was a direct response to your clear and concise allegation. Whom, specifically, has America attacked in Africa and the Middle East, when, and how?

[sMartins]

Dude you are asking me so trivial questions that I cannot fully understand your point .... concise and brief question, yeah, so are there usa men and soldiers in africa and middle-east? yes or not? if yes, why? are we exporting human rights and democracy? yeah maybe could be that?!
Second I never said USA attacked and so on or maybe I mispelled, idk, btw I think I said "we", meaning the west .... then of course I could easily say Usa, being the first representative of Christianity nowdays, so of all of us .... it's about all of us and how we live, we cannot pretend that all of this comes free .... so potentially we are all agree with our decisions.

[CaddoPuma]

Dude you are asking me so trivial questions that I cannot fully understand your point ....

Do I need to repost the whole line of quotes to help you refocus on the topic, and thus the point?

so are there usa men and soldiers in africa and middle-east?

Of course there are.

if yes, why?

Why, indeed. I can't answer that question specifically without knowing specifically where in Africa and where in the Middle East you speak of. If you give me specific countries, I can prove to you 1 by 1 that they are all there for defense, not "attacking". And you know that is true which is why you so studiously avoid answering the question.

[sMartins]

No dude, I'm not agree with you at all ... it's a dream of yourself, you are free to think whatever you want but I'm not agree that we are there for defense, most of all during all the recent history until now. (we are there cause we need what they have in one way or anothere)
But in a certain way I could agree with you, cause maybe even right now, but with high probability also in the near future we'll need to start defending us, cause we are slowly becoming a sieged society, but even this it's all about us, it's about the choices we did and we are doing for ourselves .... what I think it's not that clear to you it's we are the leader and we have been so far, do you maybe think that some middle-east shepherds one day woke up and said: "let's declare war to United States, sounds like a great idea, right?"

So you think we are there to defend ourselves, but not me. I'm not agree with you, it happens.

[CaddoPuma]

I'm not agree that we are there for defense...

Then tell me whom we are attacking. Where? How? When?

So you think we are there to defend ourselves...

I never said we are defending ourselves. In some cases - for example, all the NATO member countries where we have military bases - we are defending our allies. In some cases - for example Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria - we are defending the people from their own corrupt and murderous governments. That is still defense, even if it isnt of ourselves. We could just withdraw all our military, funding, food, and medicine and allow the dictators and communists overrun your continents while we sit safe and secure on the other half of the globe. But we pour our resources into protecting you and you accuse us of attacking. Where is your evidence?

we are there cause we need what they have in one way or another

Such as? Do we need UK's steel? We have iron mines and coal mines and steel factories. We can make our own steel. We started buying UK's because their economy needed a boost after WW2 and when that boost was no longer needed, we just kept on buying. Do we need Canada's milk? We have cattle ranches and cows. Do we need Middle Eastern oil? We have untouched reserves in Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Alaska, California, and more. We can drill our own and never buy a drop from the Middle East. What does anyone in the world have that we need but cant get or make ourselves? Nothing.

[sMartins]

Told you, you were answering to me with what media tells.
Instead if you look a bit at the history, and judge the things in a easy way like the reality is ( we think reality it's complex, etc... but instead how we behave it's super easy and it's always been the same, I'm hungry = I want to eat something, it's easy like that, pretty much always ) you'll discover that we have been there and we are there cause we need what they have, easy like that, I'm not going to answer anymore cause I think I already explained enough my point of view. Cheers
P.S. We need what we don't have, easy like that again, cheap labour, cheap resources, etc.. etc... leave to you to figure out what we possibly need from them.