Would Jorbtar move to America?

[r21187]

I kinda agree on populayion having guns.

In Spain riot gears under the corrupt government have been using violence against hippies and peacefull protesters. Any neanderthal and bully from school end up beeing a violent policeman here.
When miners went to protest to the capital they tried the same strategiez they ever use: infiltration among protesters to start a fire and then have an excuse to charge. Ofc the result was the oposite than against hippies siting on the ground. Policeman running in the oposite direction because miners arent hippies and thos faggots arent used to fight in equal conditions.
A mature population with weapons can overun corruption and unfair situations.
But Im daydreaming, Spain is full of complete retards voting the most corrupt party in democracy over and over.

That sounds logics and is true

Yes is true sometimes there will be always a crazy man that will use what has in pówer to kill inocents

But you know what is more crazy? a gov that donts fear the people

like right now in my country in guatemala all the govs seems is so bad that they are calling the fbi but now the cops and more in fear cause you cannot buy the fbi and are doing the imposible to stop them from comming

see? the whole gov is bad the cops and all too so what now? if we dont get help from outside we are overly fucked

[Potjeh]

Kick them out at elections. There's a limit to how far you can stretch election fraud.

[fenrirfenix]

They hate us because our freedom.

[pedorlee]

Kick them out at elections. There's a limit to how far you can stretch election fraud.

You arent in Spain. There is like 5 media groups and they all belong to 2 or 3 people.
Old leftist party is deeply corrupted and has the favour of that media because of corruption. New leftist party is constantly compared to Venezuela and beeing related to it even if judges say the contrary. Whats the outcome? People understands politics without any criticism and like a football team. As in the life of brian leftism is divided while we have corruption cases every fucking day and people keep voting the because on tv they show it as "we or chaos, is up to you". Shit wont change in my country so I, as a responsible citizen, defend the ownership of weapons because sooner or later just for expressing myself i can be beaten to death by police.
We have a really inmature democracy because 38 years ago we lived under a dictatorship and democracy was possible because democrats signed a document that textually said "democracy is possible if you dont judge us". Without justice is impossible to have peace, and even if its redundant, its impossible to have justice. Weapons are the only thing that can defend ourselves against animals because theyve got advantadge.

[dafels]

same heh

[fenrirfenix]

Kick them out at elections. There's a limit to how far you can stretch election fraud.

You arent in Spain. There is like 5 media groups and they all belong to 2 or 3 people.
Whats the outcome? People understands politics without any criticism and like a football team.

I didn't know Spain had freedom, too.

[pedorlee]

Kick them out at elections. There's a limit to how far you can stretch election fraud.

You arent in Spain. There is like 5 media groups and they all belong to 2 or 3 people.
Whats the outcome? People understands politics without any criticism and like a football team.

I didn't know Spain had freedom, too.

Same freedom as USA to vote for shitters with the diference that we have something else than democrats and republicans, and that is something quite new. Before now it was like this:
https://youtu.be/FlcngdW2Ju4

[Potjeh]

Well the problem is people just don't give enough of a fuck then, which means things aren't bad enough quite yet. When there's a critical mass of citizens angry at the establishment, new political movements can spring up seemingly out of nowhere and take over the government. Granted, that more often goes bad than good, but slowly suffocating in status quo isn't much of an alternative.

[iamahh]

There is a new thing happening here: the media novelizing a new corruption scandal every week, so the average joe only talks about that, meanwhile profound changes are made with little discussion, sometimes without notice at all. It's truly amazing to watch unfold, stranger than fiction. Fact is the masses have no mental cycles to spare, if you offer them something simple and flashy they'll only care for that, and you have an open lane for more complex stuff.

[pedorlee]

Well the problem is people just don't give enough of a fuck then, which means things aren't bad enough quite yet. When there's a critical mass of citizens angry at the establishment, new political movements can spring up seemingly out of nowhere and take over the government. Granted, that more often goes bad than good, but slowly suffocating in status quo isn't much of an alternative.

Wrong again. Even if a new part is elected it mist respect and follow and respect international treaties and national ones. So once they got elected they have no alternatives because they are inside a logical-legal system and going against it is going against the legal system. A treatise signed by a thief is a treat anyways so you must respect it otherwise you are a populist and a tyrannic something media will keep repating again and again. There is no alternative Potjeh. It doesnt matter what you do because money is money and laws are laws. Media will allways say: stock market has rised or going to the shit depending o n their masters. Is a win-win situation for plutocratic parties and bananic republics.