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Re: We need a new world

Postby Divicid » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:53 pm

Well, i personally left a couple of weeks ago. Not because of the combat though, but due to getting bored, and the tough timeconsuming grind that eventually starts. No new patches will bring me back, due to me wanting to be on equal terms with the current playerbase if i would return.

But on the otherhand, i would return for a server wipe. Problem is just that Haven is in it cores, bad during end game. But thats just my 2 cents.
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Re: We need a new world

Postby spawningmink » Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:05 am

iamahh wrote:these people who don't use any bot at all, i'd like to see how much gold and the metal ql they'd be gaining from this no bot diet... I know I don't bot and have yet to find a good iron vein, and can't barely break walls at mine level 3, untouched so far... not even dreaming with gold or silver yet...

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has outdated gear and has only eaten for energy in the past 2 months, havnt used a bot since hafen was out

im just logging on for about 2 days a week now, the only thing that would being me back would be fixing combat, removing the bullshit scent leaving, siege system and drinking while running
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Re: We need a new world

Postby r21187 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:52 am

spawningmink wrote:
iamahh wrote:these people who don't use any bot at all, i'd like to see how much gold and the metal ql they'd be gaining from this no bot diet... I know I don't bot and have yet to find a good iron vein, and can't barely break walls at mine level 3, untouched so far... not even dreaming with gold or silver yet...

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has outdated gear and has only eaten for energy in the past 2 months, havnt used a bot since hafen was out

im just logging on for about 2 days a week now, the only thing that would being me back would be fixing combat, removing the bullshit scent leaving, siege system and drinking while running


god sake i hope you never come back with that str O.o
ven wrote:After reading this thread I'm considering playing again just to make some metal and buy 22 boats from this guy.

jorb wrote:Ok, will buff.
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Re: We need a new world

Postby infectedking » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:25 am

r21187 wrote:god sake i hope you never come back with that str O.o

That strength really isn't that much nowadays, 1 of my villagers didn't make a miner till like over a month or 2 into the game and he now has 900+ strength, he just mass hunted and grinded certain foods, when you go for specific stats, it gets a lot easier to mass raise them.
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Re: We need a new world

Postby r21187 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:47 am

infectedking wrote:
r21187 wrote:god sake i hope you never come back with that str O.o

That strength really isn't that much nowadays, 1 of my villagers didn't make a miner till like over a month or 2 into the game and he now has 900+ strength, he just mass hunted and grinded certain foods, when you go for specific stats, it gets a lot easier to mass raise them.



mmm true i am still quite a noob so i am tring to be general but yeah i was thinking in only focus in a stat
ven wrote:After reading this thread I'm considering playing again just to make some metal and buy 22 boats from this guy.

jorb wrote:Ok, will buff.
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Re: We need a new world

Postby Dallane » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:07 am

spawningmink wrote:
iamahh wrote:these people who don't use any bot at all, i'd like to see how much gold and the metal ql they'd be gaining from this no bot diet... I know I don't bot and have yet to find a good iron vein, and can't barely break walls at mine level 3, untouched so far... not even dreaming with gold or silver yet...

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has outdated gear and has only eaten for energy in the past 2 months, havnt used a bot since hafen was out

im just logging on for about 2 days a week now, the only thing that would being me back would be fixing combat, removing the bullshit scent leaving, siege system and drinking while running


Really nice but thats Mulor's character along with all his shit lol
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Re: We need a new world

Postby Jalpha » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:44 am

:lol:
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Re: We need a new world

Postby Patchouli_Knowledge » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:57 am

ven wrote:
Our fundamental goal with Haven & Hearth is to create a game in which player choices have permanent and/or lasting effects and, thus, providing said players with a meaningful and fun gaming experience.

Permanent world and meaningful progression is all I want in this game tbh.


Same as well, although for the former to exist, something needs to appease end game boredom other than making number grow and making other people's numbers drop.

The latter is an issue for two reason: people progress too fast, and there is not much content to grow towards or at least one that does not involve "rock falls everyone dies".
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Re: We need a new world

Postby Avu » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:12 am

The game is flawed in its core premises. full loot pvp permadeath and infinite stat gain simply cannot coexist. Add to this basically allowing bots and alts something no other game allows (for free at least) and you have a clusterfuck.

Want a suggestion to help but not solve endgame boredom? Have places on the map that allow the building of wonder like buildings. Very very expensive requesting both quantity and some quality. Once they are built the kingdom who captured them (doesn't have to be in kindom land) gets big buffs from them. Then they behave like basically capture the flag. Set certain hours when they become vulnerable same ones on repeat every week but different every day in the same week. Because let's face it right now pvp is all risk no reward and there is no structure all ganks of many to 1. This way you give it a reason. To add a twist to it the more a wonder stays in one sides hand it can be upgraded by that side. Upgrades stay once they are in.
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Re: We need a new world

Postby stukii » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:27 am

jorb wrote:A bit of both, I'm sure, but resetting the world every three months to pander to that is not sustainable.


Combat is fine, not really worse than other game mechanics.

What really needs to be done is prevention of bots and to not force everyone to use as much accounts/characters as possible, instead using multiple accounts should be prevented as well.
I'm waiting already 10 years for this.
And this makes combat the shittiest thing ever, because it's about life and death.. of alts, pumped by bots.
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