Guns for teachers - The MemePresident

[Kirche]

Disarming the innocent people is necessary to disarm the non-innocent people. Its stupid thought to think that a human living in a modern society would need a gun. Hunting/shooting hobby is maybe the only reason.

self defense? in finland are your people just expected to rollover and die when confronted by a criminal?

[VDZ]

Disarming the innocent people is necessary to disarm the non-innocent people. Its stupid thought to think that a human living in a modern society would need a gun. Hunting/shooting hobby is maybe the only reason.

self defense? in finland are your people just expected to rollover and die when confronted by a criminal?

While I can't speak about Finland, in The Netherlands criminals just want your money and/or valuable goods with the least hassle possible. They want to avoid killing as much as possible as murder carries a much, much more severe penalty than just robbery, and getting away with that is pretty much impossible here. As such, the most viable way of dealing with the situation is to just hand over your stuff and report them to the police afterwards. Sucks, but it's a hell of a lot better than either or both sides firing guns at the other.

[Ysh]

Disarming the innocent people is necessary to disarm the non-innocent people. Its stupid thought to think that a human living in a modern society would need a gun. Hunting/shooting hobby is maybe the only reason.

self defense? in finland are your people just expected to rollover and die when confronted by a criminal?

While I can't speak about Finland, in The Netherlands criminals just want your money and/or valuable goods with the least hassle possible. They want to avoid killing as much as possible as murder carries a much, much more severe penalty than just robbery, and getting away with that is pretty much impossible here. As such, the most viable way of dealing with the situation is to just hand over your stuff and report them to the police afterwards. Sucks, but it's a hell of a lot better than either or both sides firing guns at the other.

What if criminal want to do some thing worse than rob you?

[shubla]

Disarming the innocent people is necessary to disarm the non-innocent people. Its stupid thought to think that a human living in a modern society would need a gun. Hunting/shooting hobby is maybe the only reason.

self defense? in finland are your people just expected to rollover and die when confronted by a criminal?

The thought that a criminal would attack me when im walking on the street is amusing. There are no such things in Finland.
Shadiest guys that I have ever seen have been on the metro station, offering to sell drugs. But you can just walk away from those.
I guess that it is common in other countries that random people in the street want to kill you and attack you?

In Finland, only place where you might need a gun is in the very northern parts, to protect your reindeer herd from wolves.

[Onep]

While I can't speak about Finland, in The Netherlands criminals just want your money and/or valuable goods with the least hassle possible. They want to avoid killing as much as possible as murder carries a much, much more severe penalty than just robbery, and getting away with that is pretty much impossible here. As such, the most viable way of dealing with the situation is to just hand over your stuff and report them to the police afterwards. Sucks, but it's a hell of a lot better than either or both sides firing guns at the other.

I guess rape doesn't happen there? Or I suppose, you could just roll over and let it happen to you. The police will handle it for you!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/

Oh... wait.

[MagicManICT]

Guns don't stop rapists any more than pepper sprays. Tasers and such are more effective, but still not perfect, as we have really good video of a guy getting tasered by many cops and still fighting. Took like a half dozen cops to subdue the guy, and they had to beat him senseless.

[Kirche]

Guns don't stop rapists any more than pepper sprays. Tasers and such are more effective, but still not perfect, as we have really good video of a guy getting tasered by many cops and still fighting. Took like a half dozen cops to subdue the guy, and they had to beat him senseless.

I disagree, guns are much more effective than pepper spray, pepper spray is extremely unreliable because you have to aim for the persons eyes, you put 4 rounds into your attacker centermass and chances are pretty good that they're on the ground bleeding to death, tasers are unreliable according to several law enforcement agencies, when it comes down to it, there is absolutely nothing more reliable than a gun in such situations.

[synaris]

According to the stats that article is based on, there are 5.7 times as many firearms murders than there are 'knives or other cutting instruments' murders. A good argument for saying handguns cause more deaths than rifles (over 20 times as many, assuming not many rifles are misclassified as 'type not stated'), but not for implying knives are more likely to result in successful murders than guns.

i was comparing rifles to knives. and pointing out how handguns kill more people than other gun types. i wasnt comparing knife kills to gun kills in america.

I'm having a hard time finding statistics on this. Do you have a reliable link for this? Do make sure to verify your sources. You mentioned InfoWars in another post; they are well known for reporting with little evidence and frequently being proven factually wrong.

and im having a nightmare of a time finding the evidence i had on this. been looking since yesterday.

and claiming that infowars is frequently proved wrong is proof that YOU HAVE NEVER WATCHED INFOWARS. what alex jones says is taken out of context so often it should be in the book of world records by now. if anything, infowars is consistently proving the mainstream media wrong. actually watch their news show. and yes i know its several hours long, but thats because no one else will talk about all of this.

Hitler also eliminated 83% of unemployment in his country, greatly improved the roads, railroads and other infrastructure, hosted the Olympic Games, drew paintings and loved dogs. All things you should avoid lest history repeats.

your sarcasm is useless.

If you look at the statistics, Chicago has always had a high murder rate. With the exception of 2016 and 2017, Chicago murder rates have actually been pretty low compared to historical data (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_ ... go_by_year). Due to underreporting the numbers might not be entirely reliable, but Chicago having tons of murders is nothing new.

you're right about that underreporting bit. you can find maps of the no go zones where even the police refuse to enter. this is what happens when guns are illegal. criminals get emboldened.

I don't. Simplifying a problem and using drawings to make them appeal to emotion better while making only dismissive statements and avoiding properly explaining your arguments is not at all conducive to conversation and will only increase groupthink by discouraging people from voicing dissenting opinions because it might make them look dumb through comparison with the cartoons. Opinions should be shared by conveying information that makes the opinion feel reasonable. I want to hold opinions because they make sense, not sheerly because I would be "dumb" for disagreeing.

i agree about reasonable opinions. but when its so obvious, i cant help but post a few pics. just like if i was arguing with a flat earther, id post a few pics from space. there is historical precedent that taking away weapons leads to more crime and tyranny. even without guns involved. look up the katana-gari in japan. when farmers could no longer improve their station in life and ascend into the samurai class by wielding weapons, they were treated like complete shit. the tyranny that followed gave birth to the ninja.

We have a set of people, X, Y and Z.
We want to disarm people that have the trait M.
We know that one or more people from X, Y and Z has/have the trait M.
We dont know which ones, but some of them do.
What do we do?

We disarm them all, not that hard.
Not a lie, but some basic logic.

you cannot disarm them all expecially when patriots like myself will refuse. it will be a civil war. also, punish everyone for the crimes a few. what kind of reasoning is that?

While I can't speak about Finland, in The Netherlands criminals just want your money and/or valuable goods with the least hassle possible. They want to avoid killing as much as possible as murder carries a much, much more severe penalty than just robbery, and getting away with that is pretty much impossible here. As such, the most viable way of dealing with the situation is to just hand over your stuff and report them to the police afterwards. Sucks, but it's a hell of a lot better than either or both sides firing guns at the other.

maybe the netherlands are some magical place where the cops always get your shit back and you only temporarily lose anything you fork over to criminals, but it sure as hell isnt that way in the USA. criminals can steal not just money, not just family hearloom jewelry. but personal shit. like hardrives and computers that are full of family photos and videos. personal irreplaceable shit. and then theres the stress you go through when the cops tell you that the odds of you getting your shit back is quite low.

more guns=less crime http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/

the movies like to portray the wild west as some crazy time where people were dying left and right. the reality is, outlaws like billy the kid made up most of their murders and the infamous black bart never even loaded his gun. actual murders were rare. but you wouldnt know that from a clint eastwood film.

to sum up, the sky is blue the grass is green 2+2=4 and when everyone is dangerous, everyone is safe. at least in real life. the opposite is true in haven.

[MagicManICT]

Guns don't stop rapists any more than pepper sprays. Tasers and such are more effective, but still not perfect, as we have really good video of a guy getting tasered by many cops and still fighting. Took like a half dozen cops to subdue the guy, and they had to beat him senseless.

I disagree, guns are much more effective than pepper spray, pepper spray is extremely unreliable because you have to aim for the persons eyes, you put 4 rounds into your attacker centermass and chances are pretty good that they're on the ground bleeding to death, tasers are unreliable according to several law enforcement agencies, when it comes down to it, there is absolutely nothing more reliable than a gun in such situations.

You trained in close quarters firearms combat? You know how to disable an attacker with a firearm that has you in a choke hold? You do? You're a rarity. You don't? No surprise there... someone else talking shit about something that takes months or even years of expert training. Most training in this area revolves around disarming opponents, not in bringing your own firearms to bear, which are extremely dangerous to even pull out given it's easy to lose control of it. A person is not going to face a rapist--or mugger, kidnapper, or such for that matter--at a range where quick drawing and using a firearm is a practical matter. That's why firearms suck for this, and why carrying a gun for "personal protection" is utter horse shit.

[Onep]

You trained in close quarters firearms combat? You know how to disable an attacker with a firearm that has you in a choke hold? You do? You're a rarity. You don't? No surprise there... someone else talking shit about something that takes months or even years of expert training. Most training in this area revolves around disarming opponents, not in bringing your own firearms to bear, which are extremely dangerous to even pull out given it's easy to lose control of it. A person is not going to face a rapist--or mugger, kidnapper, or such for that matter--at a range where quick drawing and using a firearm is a practical matter. That's why firearms suck for this, and why carrying a gun for "personal protection" is utter horse shit.

It's not really about disarming. Someone asks for your wallet? You pull your concealed carry. You're walking down a shady alley? Watch your surroundings.
It's all about preparedness. I remember reading an article which asked convicts what their worst fear was; it was an armed target.

I mean, there's not a lot you can do if you're drunk and stumbling around on the shady part of town. But if you're alert and ready, you can do SOMETHING to protect yourself. Some girl that's 5'4, 110lbs is going to have a hard time dealing with some dude who is 6'0", 200lbs. Guns are the great equalizer. A .45 is going to wreck a person no matter who it hits.

I'm not saying everyone needs to carry around a fucking Beowulf with a 30 round mag. But even carrying a little 2 shot derringer could be the difference between being a statistic or being a survivor. If I was a woman, I would be fanatic about self-defense. Men are often seen as more intimidating, and more combatant. And not the target of sexual frustration. As a woman, you're seen as more vulnerable, less physically imposing and an easier target. I find it baffling that women seem to be the biggest proponents of gun control and restrictions.