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Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby CaddoPuma » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:20 pm

sMartins wrote:...we have been there and we are there cause we need what they have, easy like that...
There is nothing that any other country in the world has that America needs, other than those things we can more easily get or make in our own country.
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Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby sMartins » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:24 pm

Dude, even people we need nowdays, come on .... ok I shut up, bye.
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Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby Granger » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:24 pm

CaddoPuma wrote:Whom has America attacked? When? How?

Really?
Be as long-winded as necessary to make your point.

Sure, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions
Now support it with some evidence.

See the links behind the link (just pick the ones in the left column where the US flag is in the middle column).
In case you want evidence then follow the links to the sources from there.
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Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby jordancoles » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:39 pm

Why are you asking for super long-winded and specific details when you (Caddo) haven't cited a single article for your own claims?
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Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby LadyV » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:57 am

"war, war never changes"

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Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby MagicManICT » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:31 am

I gave you your answer earlier in the thread. But you completely missed it. What's even more stupid is the idiots in Washington who completely realize this is "shots fired" and yet just followed along in tow because "muh jobz."
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Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby CaddoPuma » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:53 am

MagicManICT wrote:I gave you your answer earlier in the thread. But you completely missed it.
Apparently so. Can you post the link to the specific post so I can see what I missed? I've combed all 9 pages of the thread many times and cannot find it.

jordancoles wrote:Why are you asking for super long-winded and specific details when you (Caddo) haven't cited a single article for your own claims?
Because I wasnt the one who made the accusation. The burden of proof is always upon the prosecution.


Granger wrote:Sure, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions
So! Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan, all of which I have already addressed showing them to be defensive. But since you obviously werent paying attention, let me go through it again in greater detail.

Syria: Retaliation for the use of lethal gas weapons on Syrian people by the Syrian Government. That's defense of the oppressed citizens. It's not colonialization, imperialism, nor were there any resources obtained or even obtainable.

Iraq 1: Retaliation against Iraq for invading our Ally, Kuwait. That's defense of an ally. It's not colonialization nor imperialism. We did acquire some oil and gas feilds, but it would have been much easier and less expensive for us to access our own untapped reserves.

Iraq 2: Retaliation against Saddam Hussein for using lethal gas weapons against Kurds and for supporting terrorist organizations. That's defense of the oppressed citizens and defending ourselves against terrorist attacks. It's not colonialization nor imperialism. We did acquire some oil and gas feilds, but it would have been much easier and less expensive for us to access our own untapped reserves.

Afgahnistan: REtaliation against the Taliban for too many human rights violations and oppressions to list. and for supporting terrorist organizations. That's defense of the oppressed citizens and defending ourselves against terrorist attacks. It's not colonialization nor imperialism. To the best of my knowledge, tere were no resaources obtained nor obtainable in or from Afghanistan. Certainly none that we couldnt get faster, cheaper, and easier within our own borders.

All of those recent "invasions" were defensive actions in one form or another. But keep trying to make America look like global bullies, thugs, and rabble rousers.
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Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby sMartins » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:25 am

Just a curiosity, a short quote from "De laude novae militiae ad Milites Templi" by Saint Bernard of Clairvaux (1128-1136) ,as the wiki says, to boost the morale of the fledgling Knights Templar in Jerusalem.

"CHAPTER THREE

ON THE NEW KNIGHTHOOD

BUT THE KNIGHTS OF CHRIST may safely fight the battles of their Lord, fearing neither sin if they
smite the enemy, nor danger at their own death; since to inflict death or to die for Christ is no
sin, but rather, an abundant claim to glory. In the first case one gains for Christ, and in the
second one gains Christ himself. The Lord freely accepts the death of the foe who has offended
him, and yet more freely gives himself for the consolation of his fallen knight.
"

Now, this is not just to say, oh look we were extreme fundamentalists, etc... etc ... during those times a book like that by an intellectual like that were serious words, cause it was a huge problem on the intellectual side what to do with "war murder" for a Christian, it was a big deal since the romans age, cause Christians refused to join the military service.
So what I want to say at that time there were plenty of similiar discussions, cause they care about .... there were pubblic confessions in front of all the community and also pubblics penance, like not eating for a certain period of time and so on. We were serious people, we fight, ok .... but we know very well what we are doing and we beleive in it. That was the spirit, pretty much.
These days, do you see any market speculators or idk how the fuck we do the war these days, btw do you see any of them in pubblic confession or doing some kind of auto inflicted penace ... we don't even talk about those things, better not knowing.

P,S. Here the book in english
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Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby Karede » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:29 am

MagicManICT wrote:And we're not at risk of becoming a majority Latino, specifically Mexican. What the country is "in danger of" is becoming "minority White." Malcolm X had the right words about that... "by any means necessary," though I don't think he pictured it in quite the manner it is resolving. How many white people in this country today can identify some sort of heritage in their family other than European? If people knew their family history, they might be surprised.

You sure about that? In the long term, do you really think the pendulum stops with this?:
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Even if you're right, why should any sane majority give up their status? America is a racial democracy.

sMartins wrote:Dude, even people we need nowdays, come on

What on earth do we need people for? Do note that I'm not disagreeing with you RE previous posts.

Granger wrote:Really?
Sure, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions
See the links behind the link (just pick the ones in the left column where the US flag is in the middle column).
In case you want evidence then follow the links to the sources from there.

I want you to realize that you're arguing with a neocon regarding wars in the middle east, you're not getting anything sane out of him on that.
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Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby sMartins » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:56 am

Karede wrote:What on earth do we need people for? Do note that I'm not disagreeing with you RE previous posts.


Just google: natality in the west or something similiar.
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