What countries are bad countries? Share your opinions!

[Granger]

[incoherent mumblings]

What was your point?

Try again, please.

[azrid]

I speak his language let me translate for you.
He is saying Germany isn't any better.
Take it from this guy.

[Granger]

I speak his language let me translate for you.
He is saying Germany isn't any better.

Hahaha. Sure.

With the slight difference that we stopped quite a while ago (around middle of the last century) while the US just really got started with committing war crimes around that same date (bombing and even nuking pure civillian targets, poisoning whole countries, plenty more), keeping itself quite busy with it (only 21 of the 239 years it exists so far are free of involvments in major wars, most of them initiated by the USA) and actively occupying over 100 countries (that's what a military base on foreign soil is) at the moment. Plus they supported the fascists in europe (and germany) for quite a while, way deep into WW2, and through this are likely quite responsible for a good part of the atrocities committed - and possibly for WW2 as a whole. The USA are pure evil by all standards agreed upon by the civilized nations (which the USA was a part of - at the founding of the UN - but turned villain soon thereafter).

In case you're an US citizen that is not actively busy prosecuting everyone involved in and responsible for the atrocities committed by the military and three letter agencies of your country you're part of the problem and should be ashamed of you effectively being an accessory to crimes against humanity.

So fuck off with your whataboutism.

[azrid]

If anyone is curious you can listen to Kevin Shipp about how CIA works.

[Trappin]

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Typical haughty Teutonic response.

He is saying Germany isn't any better.

Historically Germans have been goosestepping fascists. 1860 unification and Wagner's superman through the twentieth century to today. The aggression and arrogance have just taken a different form. Kraut led EU totalitarianism expressed as humanitarianism via multiculturalist open borders. All of it a grift. Illusion. The Iron Will concealed by velvet words. I'm also saying we must question authority daily, and defy it when it required.

Wolves in sheep's clothing.

AMERICA: (...) has determined that an influential Antifa leader uses aliases to spread radical and often violent rhetoric while concealing his actual identity. Joseph "Jose" Alcoff works with congressional Democrats as part of his day job as a manager with a DC-based advocacy group. But he spreads socialist and communist propaganda when going by the name "Jose Martin." Identifying as "Chepe," Alcoff advocates for the violent overthrow of the government and for the murder of the rich. He has relished the mainstreaming of Antifa's militant tactics in the Trump era. A 2017 book identified Chepe as an organizer behind Smash Racism DC, the Antifa group that mobbed Fox News host Tucker Carlson's home in November and ran Ted Cruz out of a restaurant in September. Smash Racism DC organizer Jose Martin, also known as "Chepe," is a radical communist and Antifa leader operating in the U.S. He advocates for the violent overthrow of the government and for the murder of the rich and claims to have international involvement in left-wing movements.

Smash Racism DC is a Antifa group (...) It's only one of the Antifa leader's radical left-wing projects. But the agitator has made great efforts to separate his fanatical personas from a third identity, his legal name: Joseph "Jose" Alcoff. Under that identity, the 36-year-old has worked as a payday campaign manager for Americans for Financial Reform since 2016, where he advocates for reforms of predatory loans before members of Congress.


The Department of Homeland Security has classified Antifa groups' tactics as "domestic terrorist violence." Meanwhile, in his professional capacity as Alcoff, he's been quoted in press releases from Democratic Sens. Dianne Feinstein of California and Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin and appeared at an event with Democratic Rep. Don Beyer of Virginia outside the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau in March and has been pictured alongside Ohio Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown and California Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters.


The Antifa group Smash Racism DC was also responsible for chasing Cruz, a Texas Republican, out of a D.C. restaurant in September and sent the senator the message: "You are not safe. We will find you. We will expose you. We will take from you the peace you have taken from so many others." Alcoff claimed on Twitter he had no involvement with the mob at Carlson's house, though he frequently interacts on Twitter with Smash Racism DC co-founder Mike Isaacson, who said on his blog that he had advanced knowledge of the mob action at Carlson's house. The mob tactic also appears to align with statements Alcoff has made in the past. "We have got to dispense with nonviolence," he said as Chepe on Radio Dispatch in December 2016 during a discussion on how to approach those he perceives as fascists.

[Granger]

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Dude, are you braindead? Your ramblings are too far gone to be explained with trolling...

If anyone is curious you can listen to Kevin Shipp about how CIA works.

Nice video suggestion, everyone thinking the USA is a great country should watch that.

[Miss_Min]

I think the Brits overturned the guy trying to establish the "country" of Sealand.

Nope, it's still there, though now its business has apparently changed from dodgy web hosting (that one stopped ten years ago, oops, I was telling people about it when we sailed past last year) to trying to sell me a knighthood on Facebook.

Personally I think China's currently winning at Badness: locking up somewhere in the region of a million people, who have mainly not even been convicted of anything in a kangaroo court - they have 'gone to residential colleges of their own free will', and the barbed wire and security guards are for ... actually, why is there so much barbed wire if it's not a prison? WTF? - BBC article / video / radio programme.

[Granger]

Personally I think China's currently winning at Badness: locking up somewhere in the region of a million people, who have mainly not even been convicted of anything in a kangaroo court - they have 'gone to residential colleges of their own free will', and the barbed wire and security guards are for ... actually, why is there so much barbed wire if it's not a prison? WTF? - BBC article / video / radio programme.

That's domestic though (dosn't make it better by itself, but at least less worse for citizens of other countries). I'm also not that sure who's better at winning at putting the own citizens behind bars, sorting the list in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... ation_rate by per capita or total the US is winning so far (though China would be 'winning' on the total in case we add the 1M people that are claimed to get educated, should they not be included - still way behind the US in per capita even in that case as of the higher total population).

[MagicManICT]

Nope, it's still there, though now its business has apparently changed from dodgy web hosting (that one stopped ten years ago, oops, I was telling people about it when we sailed past last year) to trying to sell me a knighthood on Facebook.

Technically, they did. It's a legal matter for the courts and such, and since it's outside the recognized maritime borders... it's a mess. I tried reading more about it, but property this and that and more legal crap than I want to try to interpret.

Oh, and to comment about the prisons: USA is #1 yet again. The Chinese barely have the US outnumbered on total number of inmates... barely... and they have 3-4x the population, and imprison people for political crimes. I will say people are starting to get tired of the ran up tax bills for housing a few million people that for the most part can't work. It'd be cheaper to put them all on state welfare and provide them with the drugs they need/want (depends on how you look at it). But... JOBS!!! What about the JOBS!?!?!? Private prison systems are also a huge problem as they have been found time and again to bring up bogus charges or to throw the book at inmates (new charges) where they might get off on disciplinary measures or loss of time served for good behavior in a government managed facility. I could write a book on this matter, but it's a thing that takes years, political clout, and financing to pull off.

[Miss_Min]

I agree that Sealand is Very Complicated and as far as I can tell, the attitude of the British government is mostly to go 'la la la nothing to see here move along'. On nautical charts it's not called Sealand but its original name, Roughs Tower, and I'm pretty sure it has the same kind of exclusion zones as other remaining towers in the area (Knock John is a similar structure, Shivering Sand and Red Sand are smaller things in groups). Nobody lives on any of the other towers, although at various points (in the 1960s at least) most of them seem to have hosted unlicensed radio stations.

But... JOBS!!! What about the JOBS!?!?!?

Yeeaaah the whole US prison-industrial complex is kind of horrific. But if someone reduced the number of prisoners in Texas (approx 140 000), who currently might be working up to 12 hours a day without getting paid(1), there presumably might be some work available for other people. Of course, the businesses would then have to pay their employees...

In other news, the people who complain about illegal immigrants taking jobs might like to also complain about the fact that it doesn't stop once they end up in ICE detention - where they may end up working for the private company holding them for $1 a day, instead of the company employing people with a legal right to work(2).