Human Population Through Time

[shubla]

Do the same with dark matter or black holes, and we will be thankfull to you also.

Comparing the measurement of earths circumference to black holes is just ridiculous.
Stop being Greek fanboy. Babylonians were way better.

[sMartins]

Do you think was easier for them to find out about the circumference of the earth than for us to find out about black holes? mmm, I wouldn't be so sure about that.
I'm a Greek fanboy ... ehhehe ... I am.

[shubla]

Do you think was easier for them to find out about the circumference of the earth than for us to find out about black holes? mmm, I wouldn't be so sure about that.

You are an absolute imbecile.

Measuring/calculating earths circumference is very easy. Method that Eratosthenes presumably used was clever, but not difficult or advanced by any means.
Measuring something that is thousands of light years away that we know nothing about is very difficult.

[sMartins]

Measuring something that is thousands of light years away that we know nothing about is very difficult.

[Procne]

What I will say though is that many of the issues which plagued society as a result of an openly expressed sexuality have been largely resolved... If you take appropriate precautions. Moses taught us not to fuck another mans woman (and vice versa). That is wholly different to rampant fornication in an age where the inherent risks of such actions are being increasingly mitigated. Something to think about.

And I would say that it is still true that the institution of marriage, combined with avoidance of unmarried fornification, is a positive thing for any society. It gives the family stability to properly raise children. Societies which could not properly respect / protect family ultimately faded away. We are talking about risks being mitigated but still fertility rate in western countries is dropping, and their societies, after decades of healthy growth, age and face multiple problems. One of them being "importing" cheap workforce (as in Europe), at the cost of having its culture washed away (which basically means that the society is failing to survive without having to merge with another society)

[sMartins]

In my opinion also opulence is a "secondary" problem. The only good thing about what's happening here, to me, is that we will getting poorer and poorer and with that maybe we will also re-discover values such as solidarity, communion etc..
If you remember Romans, first they used barbarians to fight in the arena, then as workers (cause they were not working anymore), then as army and in just some centuries there was a barbarian emperor. That's opulence to me.

[Jalpha]

I see no issues with unmarried fornication as long as the participants consent and are sensible. Marriage is important to family, I won't argue against that.

Leaving people out of the fun comes with its own consequences. Nothing is perfect though, we live in a shattered reality. You overcome some issues, a new way of life becomes possible, new issues arise. But they are lesser.

[Procne]

I see no issues with unmarried fornication as long as the participants consent and are sensible. Marriage is important to family, I won't argue against that.

Leaving people out of the fun comes with its own consequences. Nothing is perfect though, we live in a shattered reality. You overcome some issues, a new way of life becomes possible, new issues arise. But they are lesser.

But when the society "has no issues" with unmarried fornication the youth (dumb and shortsighted as they are) is not "guided" towards marriage and family, and wastes many years on pure hedonism, slowly becoming animals.

[Jalpha]

We are animals though. Anyway moving toward having a family is a process which won't be ended by a liberated sexuality. People are still settling down and having (not necessarily raising) kids. There are some interesting trends emerging among millennials which I don't fully understand. Waiting longer till having sex for the first time, having fewer sexual partners and not actually entering into more traditional relationships.

You could say this indicates a likelihood that the family model is breaking down, and that may turn out to be correct. I don't believe any of this is due to sexual promiscuity, statistics indicate quite the opposite.

[Procne]

We are animals though. Anyway moving toward having a family is a process which won't be ended by a liberated sexuality. People are still settling down and having (not necessarily raising) kids. There are some interesting trends emerging among millennials which I don't fully understand. Waiting longer till having sex for the first time, having fewer sexual partners and not actually entering into more traditional relationships.

You could say this indicates a likelihood that the family model is breaking down, and that may turn out to be correct. I don't believe any of this is due to sexual promiscuity, statistics indicate quite the opposite.

We are animals, true, and most, if not all, our desires are based in animal instincts. But at the same time we are more, and we have the capability to want more than just those instincts. So we've built a lot of culture and traditions around those instincts. This, in turn, allowed us to create societies, in some way "transcending" the dna-based evolution and moving into "culture-based" evolution, where societies try different customs and trends. Some work and society becomes stronger, and some don't leading the society to fall apart or be absorbed by another.

Moving towards family may be ended by a liberated sexuality. Traditionally sex was allowed only within marriage, and as such young people had to form families. With liberated sexuality there is a risk that people will only be tending to their own sexual needs, and not form the family. We could argue that it also lets them find a better match, rather than being forced to marry the first person they fancy. But I think that's a matter of personal happiness rather than benefit for society.