Russia invades Ukraine

[Aihal]

Justice should not be arbitrary.

Past US activity in the Middle East is widely perceived as unjust, in the US and internationally. And even so, the West is still generally perceived as having more moral authority than e.g. Russia, China, etc., and although this authority is flawed, the reasons for the perception are not strictly "arbitrary", obviously.

How is...the other [country] not even permitted to exert influence over its own neighbors?

There would be worldwide outrage if the US invaded Central America in order to narrow its defensible border by expanding south. What kind of "influence" are you proposing is acceptable? There are many channels of influence, Russia has chosen the bluntest possible, and no it is not permitted. Russia has legitimate geopolitical goals in Ukraine, fine; does desire justify its own satisfaction at any cost? No; they can pursue by other means, or alter their goals. Would there be no objection if NATO, by virtue of its military superiority, simply invaded Russia? Absurd. Do you propose that the concept of sovereignty itself is a complete farce and should be ignored by everybody? You are sad that Australia has a lopsided economic relationship with other western countries by virtue of it being a weaker country, so you satisfy yourself with gloating over the domination of another weaker nation. There is a title for people who enjoy such things.

Is Russia supposed to become part of the EU?

"Uh oh, the Germans are sexually degenerate, better start shelling Kyiv." What is this dichotomy? The diminution of Russia's stature hardly justifies war, and the preservation of their moral sanctity is hardly related. If anything they would have a better chance of staying morally intact if they relinquished all their wealth and became a hermit nation. Blessed are the poor.

You are disingenuous or willfully blind, probably both.

[Ferinex]

to Russians: what the good goop is going on over there? what is the messaging you are receiving from the Kremlin? all of your shit is offline. it's all fucked. the whole world has circled the wagons against you. your President is about to be Mussolini'd at Gazprom Neft, but only if you make it so. I don't mean at all to be uncivil, simply these appear to be the facts; and I assert I go out of my way to consume non-Western media. I can't even access kremlin.ru, maybe it's blocked but I suspect DOS more likely. Should we instead allow your president to push the big red verboten button no non-narcissist would push? Make this man an example! For the world! I will return the favor when my own American narcissist puts his thumb near our own football. gun

[VDZ]

And even so, the West is still generally perceived as having more moral authority than e.g. Russia, China, etc., and although this authority is flawed, the reasons for the perception are not strictly "arbitrary", obviously.

I don't want to side with Jalpha, but what the hell is this? Are you seriously defending the USA playing world police? Just because a country of 330 million people has strong cultural exports with worldwide ideological influence does not grant them "moral authority" over the other 7.6 billion people inhabiting this planet. US wars are as unjust as Russia's, it's just that nobody gives a crap about Afghanistan or Iraq, whereas Ukraine is uncomfortably close to our own borders and a prospective NATO and EU member. Nobody cared when Russia invaded Chechnya or Georgia either. It was only when they tried to do the same on their West side that the entire Western world got all up in arms.

the whole world has circled the wagons against you.

Just the Western world, really. Though now that they're waving nukes around that might soon change, because nobody wants a nuclear war.

[pawnchito]

the whole world has circled the wagons against you.

Not the people nope. Just Putin and likely a few madmen in his keep.

[WowGain]

"gay europeans exist so russia needs to kill ukrainian children"

youre pathetic

[Jalpha]

Lost me with the personal attacks. There is no gloating. Time to munch popcorn and laugh as you all work yourselves into hysteria over the looming nuclear apocalypse lol. There is not going to be any intelligent conversation here

Maybe USA should help Ukraine. EU shouldn't, they already did enough to create this mess.

[shubla]

Jalpha, stop trying to pretend to be a real man. No one cares, and we already know you're a boy stuck in a middle-aged man's body. Your age-preferences have made it abundantly clear.

Shubla, you're legitimately starting to behave like a schizophrenic.

You both need to stop trying to make every single thing that happens about you and your country. The Finnish government's COVID response is not equivalent to how the Taliban rule, Russia's invasion into Ukraine is not equivalent to perceived US bullying of Australia. There are literally children dying in Ukraine and all you can talk about it how you're being oppressed because because you can't handle wearing a mask or not being allowed to fuck teenagers. You need help from a mental health professional. Or several.

You're pulling stuff out of your ass you bloody sociopath loser.'



My deep analysis on current situation is that kiev will fall, somewhere they said that less than 1/4 of russian troops are in ukraine. The resistance is appreciable, but numbers simply don't match.
Makes you think why russia has not targeted infrastructure in ukraine, like communication links and electricity. Do their own troops really use google maps to navigate and whats up with 4G to communicate? While relying on friendly supply contributions by locals? I don't want to believe that this would be the case. Surely one of the greatest armies in world must have sophisticated communication devices. Its not like there would be lack of technical talents in Russia.

What comes to other conflicts going on (or recent) in the world, such as the numerous ones in Africa, ones with high western intervention in middle east, or events in Myanmar etc.
Of course they are sad, but there is no denying that there is a vast difference between some civil war in some very different culture somewhere far away, compared to some western independent state being invaded, not any internal conflicts, but actually invaded by another big country, and in Europe.
Yea there have been some conflicts in somewhat recent past (after ww2) like maybe balkans etc. but they're quite different and its some time since those as well.
Also 1 big, big difference, internet was really not a thing as it is now, until very recently. Being able to follow the conflict almost minute by minute in real time, discuss about it 24/7 with millions of people in different countries even. All the photos, videos, direct messages from the conflict zone.. These things simply did not exist before (not that I would know, but so I assume), so of course the conflict is deemed differently now than some past conflicts.

If you start to look for hypocrisy in the society you may as well go look for water in the Atlantic.

Edit: Maybe one very recent one was azerbaijan invasion of armenia. Which is maybe somewhat similar in some ways, but I guess it was just little bit too far away from the real europe.

[Fostik]

My deep analysis on current situation is that kiev will fall

Bitch please.
We've heard that on 2nd day from other intelligence and analytics.

[eliminoid]

one of the greatest armies in world must have sophisticated communication devices

or this is all just menacing looks and in reality they use outdated tech because most of funds are stolen by corrupt higher-ups

[Aihal]

Are you seriously defending the USA playing world police?

Not at all. As I stated, those wars were and are generally considered unjust. I only asserted that Western nations more often get the benefit of the doubt than their more authoritarian eastern counterparts, for reasons good and ill.