American Politics, in the words of an elected California Dem

General discussion and socializing.

Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby jordancoles » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:58 am

CaddoPuma wrote:
jordancoles wrote:Why are you asking for super long-winded and specific details when you (Caddo) haven't cited a single article for your own claims?
Because I wasnt the one who made the accusation. The burden of proof is always upon the prosecution.

Uh okay, that goes both ways though. You've made a ton of claims in this thread already with no attempt at proving them in great detail.

Cite these claims if the burden of proof falls on you for all of them:
I'm not sure of which "perfectly legit" treaty you speak. Is it the one that allows Iran to continue and even increase nuclear weapons R&D (per the boxes of evidence acquired by Mossad and released by President Netinyahu)? Or the one that allows every country in the world to expand their industrial pollution a million fold, using US tax dollars, while forcing the US to return to horse-and-buggy days and pay the rest of the world to increase pollution?


"Trump's going to start a nuclear war" Twice now he has taken steps to prevent one. "Trump's going to make America the laughing stock of the world." No. That was President Obama who went on a world apology tour, bowed to dictators, and paid off hostage takers.


President Trump's approval rating is higher than President Obama's was at this same point in his tenure. And President Truymp's approval rating is still rising while President Obama's was falling at this point in his administration.


And yet unemployment overall in America is at a all time low, Unemployment among African American males is at an all time low, Unemployment among Hispanics is at an all time low


for all their best efforts for over a year, the only Russian collusion to be found is a candidate paying a law firm which in turn paid a PR firm which then paid a former KGB operative to write a report using Russian sources to fabricate a fake dossier. When this dossier was complete, the dossier was used to get a FISA warrant by presenting the uncollaborated, totally fabricated dossier as fact. Even if tis "investigation" wasnt hatched in lies and built on misinformation, the fact that it has goone for over a year and failed to prove a single shred of evidence should be enough to convinve any person of at least average intelligence that an investigation means nothing until it proves something.


Tariffs are a tax on imports. Dropping tariffs makes the countries (Europe, Asia, Canada, etc.) exporting to the US happy. It's raising tariffs to balance out the long standing trade deficit the US has had with these countries that is ticking them off.


Every businessman understands that 5 in 10 startups fail in the first 3 years and 8 in 10 fail in the first 10 years. That's a 50% and 20% success rate, respectively. You focus on Trump's 7 in 36 failures and conveniently ignore his 29 in 36 successes. That's an 81% sucess rate.


You pulled this entire post out of your head without citing it as well
Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan, all of which I have already addressed showing them to be defensive. But since you obviously werent paying attention, let me go through it again in greater detail.

Syria: Retaliation for the use of lethal gas weapons on Syrian people by the Syrian Government. That's defense of the oppressed citizens. It's not colonialization, imperialism, nor were there any resources obtained or even obtainable.

Iraq 1: Retaliation against Iraq for invading our Ally, Kuwait. That's defense of an ally. It's not colonialization nor imperialism. We did acquire some oil and gas feilds, but it would have been much easier and less expensive for us to access our own untapped reserves.

Iraq 2: Retaliation against Saddam Hussein for using lethal gas weapons against Kurds and for supporting terrorist organizations. That's defense of the oppressed citizens and defending ourselves against terrorist attacks. It's not colonialization nor imperialism. We did acquire some oil and gas feilds, but it would have been much easier and less expensive for us to access our own untapped reserves.

Afgahnistan: REtaliation against the Taliban for too many human rights violations and oppressions to list. and for supporting terrorist organizations. That's defense of the oppressed citizens and defending ourselves against terrorist attacks. It's not colonialization nor imperialism. To the best of my knowledge, tere were no resaources obtained nor obtainable in or from Afghanistan. Certainly none that we couldnt get faster, cheaper, and easier within our own borders.

All of those recent "invasions" were defensive actions in one form or another. But keep trying to make America look like global bullies, thugs, and rabble rousers.
Duhhrail wrote:No matter how fast you think you can beat your meat, Jordancoles lies in the shadows and waits to attack his defenseless prey. (tl;dr) Don't afk and jack off. :lol:

Check out my pro-tips thread
Image Image Image
User avatar
jordancoles
 
Posts: 14076
Joined: Sun May 29, 2011 6:50 pm
Location: British Columbia, Canada

Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby Karede » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:08 am

sMartins wrote:natality in the west

Why are dropping birthrates so bad? Further, why would you try to fix that by replacing yourself with people who will fall victim to the same problem in a generation or two?
User avatar
Karede
 
Posts: 767
Joined: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:10 am

Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby waga » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:08 am

jordancoles wrote:Damn, you're in this pretty deep, huh?

Responding to all of your points looks like a good way to waste a few hours of my life. I'll pass.

But I will say, Hillary Clinton is not the president. Focus on Trump when talking about Trump; Hillary is a strawman.


what happened to this ? ¦]
waga
 
Posts: 620
Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:07 pm

Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby jordancoles » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:10 am

waga wrote:
jordancoles wrote:Damn, you're in this pretty deep, huh?

Responding to all of your points looks like a good way to waste a few hours of my life. I'll pass.

But I will say, Hillary Clinton is not the president. Focus on Trump when talking about Trump; Hillary is a strawman.


what happened to this ? ¦]

Damn u right u right
Duhhrail wrote:No matter how fast you think you can beat your meat, Jordancoles lies in the shadows and waits to attack his defenseless prey. (tl;dr) Don't afk and jack off. :lol:

Check out my pro-tips thread
Image Image Image
User avatar
jordancoles
 
Posts: 14076
Joined: Sun May 29, 2011 6:50 pm
Location: British Columbia, Canada

Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby sMartins » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:23 am

Karede wrote:
sMartins wrote:natality in the west

Why are dropping birthrates so bad? Further, why would you try to fix that by replacing yourself with people who will fall victim to the same problem in a generation or two?

That's a good question .... who knows? What I know for sure is our society(economic system) can only go forward and not go backwards.

The birthrates, to me, is cause we are not happy and I think we all feel that into ourselves, we exceeded the limit and also cause the fall of Christianity, we look at the future and we don't see anymore that positiveness we always have seen, that's a specific trait of us, Christians look at the future as a very positive thing, the salvation, we beleive in the future, future is always good .... but these days we cannot see it anymore being our main cultural source collapsed.
Make friends with the other crabs or try to escape the bucket.
I'd hardly call anything the Bible of our times. » special thanks to MagicManICT
I only logged in to say this sentence. by neeco » 30 Oct 2018, 02:57
Default Client, Best Client!
User avatar
sMartins
 
Posts: 3046
Joined: Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:21 pm
Location: Italy

Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby CaddoPuma » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:49 am

jordancoles wrote:
CaddoPuma wrote:
jordancoles wrote:Why are you asking for super long-winded and specific details when you (Caddo) haven't cited a single article for your own claims?
Because I wasnt the one who made the accusation. The burden of proof is always upon the prosecution.

Uh okay, that goes both ways though. You've made a ton of claims in this thread already with no attempt at proving them in great detail.

Cite these claims if the burden of proof falls on you for all of them:

CaddoPuma wrote:I'm not sure of which "perfectly legit" treaty you speak. Is it the one that allows Iran to continue and even increase nuclear weapons R&D (per the boxes of evidence acquired by Mossad and released by President Netinyahu)? Or the one that allows every country in the world to expand their industrial pollution a million fold, using US tax dollars, while forcing the US to return to horse-and-buggy days and pay the rest of the world to increase pollution?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

CaddoPuma wrote:"Trump's going to start a nuclear war" Twice now he has taken steps to prevent one. "Trump's going to make America the laughing stock of the world." No. That was President Obama who went on a world apology tour, bowed to dictators, and paid off hostage takers.
The deal with Iran, from which President Trump withdrew allowed them to not only continue, but to accelerate their nuclear weapons development. By pulling out of that deal, he prevented Iran from developing nukes that they would be only so eager to hurl at Israel and the US. The second time he took steps to reduce nuclear proliferation and thus the treat of nuclear war is the Singapore Summit.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikegonzal ... ca877d261b
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfaH5BQHEjY

CaddoPuma wrote:President Trump's approval rating is higher than President Obama's was at this same point in his tenure. And President Truymp's approval rating is still rising while President Obama's was falling at this point in his administration.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/prez_track_jun15

CaddoPuma wrote:And yet unemployment overall in America is at a all time low, Unemployment among African American males is at an all time low, Unemployment among Hispanics is at an all time low
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000009

CaddoPuma wrote:for all their best efforts for over a year, the only Russian collusion to be found is a candidate paying a law firm which in turn paid a PR firm which then paid a former KGB operative to write a report using Russian sources to fabricate a fake dossier. When this dossier was complete, the dossier was used to get a FISA warrant by presenting the uncollaborated, totally fabricated dossier as fact. Even if tis "investigation" wasnt hatched in lies and built on misinformation, the fact that it has goone for over a year and failed to prove a single shred of evidence should be enough to convinve any person of at least average intelligence that an investigation means nothing until it proves something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier

CaddoPuma wrote:Tariffs are a tax on imports. Dropping tariffs makes the countries (Europe, Asia, Canada, etc.) exporting to the US happy. It's raising tariffs to balance out the long standing trade deficit the US has had with these countries that is ticking them off.
https://www.google.com/search?num=100&newwindow=1&ei=JSgnW_T3FZPS8APjrafoCA&q=define+tariff&oq=define+ta&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0l5j0i20i264k1j0l4.112292.114624.0.117198.11.10.1.0.0.0.105.731.9j1.10.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.11.735...35i39k1j0i67k1j0i131i67k1j0i131k1j0i131i20i264k1j0i10k1j0i20i263i264k1.0.MdDuUuVUHHo

CaddoPuma wrote:Every businessman understands that 5 in 10 startups fail in the first 3 years and 8 in 10 fail in the first 10 years. That's a 50% and 20% success rate, respectively. You focus on Trump's 7 in 36 failures and conveniently ignore his 29 in 36 successes. That's an 81% sucess rate.
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/288769

jordancoles wrote:You pulled this entire post out of your head without citing it as well.
Actually, I scrolled down on the links you suggested I follow and found a very detailed section on "Justifications" for each invasion.
Last edited by CaddoPuma on Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:10 am, edited 1 time in total.
CaddoPuma
 
Posts: 236
Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:56 am
Location: Shreveport,Louisiana, USA

Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby jordancoles » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:02 am

Post fukt up; edit

Thanks

You gave me the definition of a tariff but didn't cite the deficit in American-Canadian trade when that was the part I bolded?

You didn't cite where Trump had 29/36 successes or where you got your 81% success rate from

I'm not reading an entire wiki page on the Russia dossier but I wouldn't call it "no evidence" at all. It's still being investigated and ties have been found. The Mueller investigation has handed out several indictments already and this is still on-going.
From the wiki page you gave
The media, the intelligence community, and most experts have treated the dossier with caution, due to its unverified assertions, while Trump himself denounced the report as "fake news". While the media tends to treat its allegations as gossip,[13] the intelligence community takes the allegations seriously and tries to validate them.[14][15][16] For example, as of May 2018, former career intelligence officer James Clapper believed that "more and more" of the dossier has been validated over time.[17]

Some of the dossier's allegations have been corroborated, while others remain unverified[18] or may require access to classified information for verification.[19] In February 2017, some details related to conversations "solely between foreign nationals" were independently verified. Some of those individuals were known to be "heavily involved" in efforts to damage Clinton and help Trump. The conversations "took place between the same individuals on the same days and from the same locations as detailed in the dossier", giving US intelligence and law enforcement "greater confidence" in the credibility of parts of the dossier


Approval ratings change depending on what source you're pulling from, and you cited one which has "long found much higher approval rating figures for Trump than any other national poll". According to this his term average is 39% and your source was the only poll that came up with the comparison to Obama's approval ratings of the same time.

Not clicking your Forbes link since it won't let me enter without whitelisting them on adblocker. Pulling from the Iran deal removed the 10 year freeze that was placed on Iran and made it possible for them to begin to create nuclear weapons immediately after America pulled out. Yes, after the deal's time ran out they would've had to renegotiate and kick the can down the road for another 10 years or whatever, but cutting the deal suddenly with no new deal wasn't needed and didn't help prevent anything, IMO

Obama may have bowed his head for a moment in that video you linked, but if that's so appalling then check out this video of Trump saluting a NK general
Last edited by jordancoles on Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:37 am, edited 8 times in total.
Duhhrail wrote:No matter how fast you think you can beat your meat, Jordancoles lies in the shadows and waits to attack his defenseless prey. (tl;dr) Don't afk and jack off. :lol:

Check out my pro-tips thread
Image Image Image
User avatar
jordancoles
 
Posts: 14076
Joined: Sun May 29, 2011 6:50 pm
Location: British Columbia, Canada

Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby CaddoPuma » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:11 am

jordancoles wrote:Post fukt up; edit

Thanks

Done.
CaddoPuma
 
Posts: 236
Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:56 am
Location: Shreveport,Louisiana, USA

Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby Karede » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:13 am

sMartins wrote:The birthrates, to me, is cause we are not happy and I think we all feel that into ourselves, we exceeded the limit and also cause the fall of Christianity, we look at the future and we don't see anymore that positiveness we always have seen, that's a specific trait of us, Christians look at the future as a very positive thing, the salvation, we beleive in the future, future is always good .... but these days we cannot see it anymore being our main cultural source collapsed.

I would definitely agree with you that the birth rate problem is a cultural rot. I would also contend that the reduction of religion to a matter of personal conscience is a serious contributor to that as well.
User avatar
Karede
 
Posts: 767
Joined: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:10 am

Re: American Politics, in the words of an elected California

Postby CaddoPuma » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:22 am

jordancoles wrote:Post fukt up; edit

Thanks

You gave me the definition of a tariff but didn't cite the deficit in American-Canadian trade when that was the part I bolded?

You didn't cite where Trump had 29/36 successes or where you got your 81% success rate from
https://www.thebalance.com/trade-deficit-by-county-3306264 I couldnt find the article that I found last year that listed him having 36 startups. Current articles show him having thousands, and only 7 bankruptcies? You're 7 bankruptcies argument is even weaker and more ridiculous than I thought! The 81% successrate, based on 36 startups is simple maths. 7 bankruptcies subtracted from 36 startups = 29 successes. Then you devide successes by total startups (29/36) and you get 0.8055555556 which rounds up to 81%. Do I have to teach you everything? You cant even handle simple maths but you think you can hold your own on a topic as complex as politics?
CaddoPuma
 
Posts: 236
Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:56 am
Location: Shreveport,Louisiana, USA

PreviousNext

Return to The Inn of Brodgar

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: BLEX [Bot], ChatGPT [Bot], Claude [Bot] and 3 guests