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Re: What countries are bad countries? Share your opinions!

Postby Trappin » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:05 pm

Der Spiegel: http://www.spiegel.de/international/the ... 44653.html

Claas Relotius, a German reporter and Der Spiegel editor, falsified his articles on a grand scale and even invented characters, deceiving both readers and his colleagues. Claas Relotius committed his deception intentionally, methodically and with criminal intent. Among the articles in question are major features that have been nominated for or won journalism awards. Relotius also worked for other media organizations in Germany and abroad. During his time as a freelance journalist, his work got published by other media including Cicero, the Neue Zürcher Zeitung am Sonntag, the Financial Times Deutschland, Die Tageszeitung, Die Welt, Süddeutsche Zeitung Magazin, Weltwoche, Zeit Online and the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung.

For example: "The last witness," about an American who allegedly travels to an execution as a witness. The "Lion Children," about two Iraqi children who have been kidnapped and re-educated by the Islamic State. And "Number 440," a story about alleged prisoners at Guantanamo.


Americans really are parasitic insectoid vermin that suck the life force from innocent people, just ask Granger. Pure genius.


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In February 2017, my husband and I attended a concert at our local theater, and were sipping some wine in the lobby before the show started. Several people came up to us at separate times excitedly, and asked, “did you meet the German guy yet?!” I hadn’t, but my spider senses perked up when I heard that he worked for Der Spiegel, a magazine based in Hamburg, and that he was writing about the state of rural America in the wake of Trump’s presidency. I know I’m not the only rural advocate and citizen that is wary about the anthropological gaze on rural America in the wake of the 2016 elections, and has struggled with how or whether to respond to the sudden attention and questions, when before we really didn’t matter to mass media at all.

Suddenly we do matter, but only because everyone wants to be the hero pundit that cracks the code of the current rural psyche. There are only two things those writers seem to have concluded or are able to pitch to their editors — we are either backwards, living in the past and have our heads up our asses, or we’re like dumb, endearing animals that just need a little attention in order to keep us from eating the rest of the world alive.

With that in mind, I was slightly reassured to hear that Der Spiegel’s journalist, Claas Relotius, had met some of the people that could represent the true complexities of Fergus Falls — people that love a good intellectual debate about both local and national issues, people that own small businesses, who grew up here but also had global experience and perspectives, and people who collaborate consistently across political lines because the simple reality of living in a small town is that everyone at some point has to work together if they want anything to function properly.

Knowing that Relotius’ purpose was likely to focus on a few of our many conservative voters, I still had an ounce of faith in journalism. Maybe, just maybe, since he was a professional, award winning, international journalist and was spending not one day here but several weeks, he would craft an interesting, nuanced story about how we all somehow manage to coexist with each other in Trump’s America without burning each other’s houses down.

But I also had a distinct gut feeling that his portrayal of this town could go very, very wrong. What happened is beyond what I could have ever imagined: An article titled “Where they pray for Trump on Sundays,” and endless pages of an insulting, if not hilarious, excuse for journalism. Not only did Relotius’ “exposé” on Fergus Falls make unrecognizable movie-like characters out of the people in my town that I interact with on a daily basis, but its very basic lack of truth and its bizarrely bleak portrayal of the place I love left a very sick, unsettled feeling in the pit of my stomach.There’s really nothing like this feeling — knowing that people in another country have read about the place I call home and are shaking their heads over their coffee in disgust, sharing the article on Facebook and Twitter, and making comments on the online article like “creepy,” and “these are the people who don’t believe electricity exists.”





German journalist “After three and a half hours, the bus bends from the highway to a narrow, sloping street, rolling towards a dark forest that looks like dragons live in it. At the entrance, just before the station, there is a sign with the American stars and stripes banner, which reads: “Welcome to Fergus Falls, home of damn good folks.”

Fergus Falls is located on the prairie — which means our landscape mostly consists of tall grass and lakes. While we have trees, we do not have any distinct forests in our city limits, and definitely not in the route that the bus Relotius would have taken from the Twin Cities. And sadly, our welcome sign is quite mundane in its greeting.


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Re: What countries are bad countries? Share your opinions!

Postby MagicManICT » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:52 pm

To be fair, there was a NY Times writer that got busted for the same shenanigans over a decade ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

It happens all over the world.

Then there's the (now in)famous news anchor Brian Williams.

Let's not even bother all the asshats that pass off crazy opinion as news and fact. That goes on everywhere, too. Nobody is special in this regard.
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Re: What countries are bad countries? Share your opinions!

Postby Adder1234 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:52 am

All countries are bad countries, because all countries are run by people.
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Re: What countries are bad countries? Share your opinions!

Postby azrid » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:00 pm

But your country is worse than mine.
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Re: What countries are bad countries? Share your opinions!

Postby MightySheep » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:09 am

NOOBY93 wrote:If we're talking about their effect on the world and not the quality of life in them, I do believe England would take #1 in how much a country ruined the world, America would take #2, but then again, this is a dumb metric because really any country that acquires power at some point will do some bad shit with the power.

What the actual fuck are you smoking? Britain is probably #1 for having improved the world as a whole and forwarding human progress.

Unless you're saying Canada, USA, UK, Australia, NZ, South Africa, Singapore, Hong Kong are all places that are dragging down the average for whatever criteria you want to use to measure progress and well-being.

Gotta love when people drink the anti-imperialism kool aid :roll:
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Re: What countries are bad countries? Share your opinions!

Postby LadyV » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:10 am

I pop in for the holidays and this is still being discussed.... We all need help.

http://gamapserver.who.int/gho/interactive_charts/mental_health/suicide_rates/atlas.html


Instead of complaining how about solving. To many people are lost all the time. :(


I wish you all peace.
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Re: What countries are bad countries? Share your opinions!

Postby shubla » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:53 pm

I hate indians because they spam some shitty programming tutorials to youtube. The tutorials are often blatantly wrong and always spoken with so strong Indian accent that you can not understand what they try to say!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

LadyV wrote:I pop in for the holidays and this is still being discussed.... We all need help.

http://gamapserver.who.int/gho/interactive_charts/mental_health/suicide_rates/atlas.html


Instead of complaining how about solving. To many people are lost all the time. :(


I wish you all peace.


Even more innocent people die to pollution that america produces, and these are people who would want to live!!
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Re: What countries are bad countries? Share your opinions!

Postby azrid » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:05 pm

LadyV wrote:Instead of complaining how about solving. To many people are lost all the time. :(

We are solving it by spreading information.
More people will find out about what big governments and organizations do.
This creates a more hostile environment for them to exist.
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