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What do Substance, Essence, and Vitality all mean

Postby raybon256 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:47 am

Can someone let me know what this means by quality? Is it like the average or something?
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Re: What do Substance, Essence, and Vitality all mean

Postby shy_ronnie » Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:51 am

i would also like to know this
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Re: What do Substance, Essence, and Vitality all mean

Postby aradar » Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:56 am

bump +sticky
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Re: What do Substance, Essence, and Vitality all mean

Postby Audiosmurf » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:00 am

They're different metrics of quality, with each affecting the item in different ways. I believe it's been determined for food, at least, that one increases FEPS, one decreases the amount of hunger it provides, and I think the third was associated with satiations? I don't quite remember, but that seems to be the idea.
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Re: What do Substance, Essence, and Vitality all mean

Postby Jacobian123 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:02 am

I believe Vitality is quality.
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Re: What do Substance, Essence, and Vitality all mean

Postby overtyped » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:32 am

this is why salem sucks. Get rid of this essence substance crap, and bring back quality for all!
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Re: What do Substance, Essence, and Vitality all mean

Postby ApocalypsePlease » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:36 am

They all have different purposes for different things.

    -Curiosity LP gain is determined by the average of the 3, using the old quality formula (there is some trunaction somewhere in the calculation)
    -The FEPs of all foods (or certain, I have not gone in depth just yet) are determined by the third quality
    -Stat bonuses on items (some or all, not checked yet) are determined by the second quality

I would appreciate any data anyone has on specific foods or equipment for more testing (PM me).
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Re: What do Substance, Essence, and Vitality all mean

Postby MightySheep » Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:02 am

+1 bring back quality, there is such a thing as over-complicating things
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Re: What do Substance, Essence, and Vitality all mean

Postby Audiosmurf » Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:06 am

MightySheep wrote:+1 bring back quality, there is such a thing as over-complicating things

Personally I think it adds a lot of potential for meaningful differences in items produced by different groups. It might wind up just being an increased grind but I think we need some time to feel it out rather than just calling for a return to the old system.
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Re: What do Substance, Essence, and Vitality all mean

Postby DDDsDD999 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:07 am

I'd like jorbtar to at least explain this mechanic so we understand what needs to be balanced.
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