a new player question

[bloodberserker]

hello this was prb asked like 100 times before but im not fond of reading 200 days old posts so il ask it in my own thread

iwe been playing wurm, xsyon and mostly SALEM alot and then i heard about this game. I stoped playing salem since they original devs droped the game, i dont like the inspiration system,
i was woundering how is heaven and heart compared to Salem and how is the game in general? alot of people playing? same permadeath system? easy to lose all your items to people that have 600+ stats and 3 hit break walls?
also how is it compared to skills? can u master everything or u have to focus on 1-2 skills like farming and trade for rest of the materials? i saw a few videos but im still woundering if i should get into H&H.
Also i saw it has a sub/buy model, im also woundering how are free, paid and subed players balanced out? if ur free vs subed how are ur chances?

ty.

[Ukhata]

hello this was prb asked like 100 times before but im not fond of reading 200 days old posts so il ask it in my own thread

iwe been playing wurm, xsyon and mostly SALEM alot and then i heard about this game. I stoped playing salem since they original devs droped the game, i dont like the inspiration system,
i was woundering how is heaven and heart compared to Salem and how is the game in general? alot of people playing? same permadeath system? easy to lose all your items to people that have 600+ stats and 3 hit break walls?
also how is it compared to skills? can u master everything or u have to focus on 1-2 skills like farming and trade for rest of the materials? i saw a few videos but im still woundering if i should get into H&H.
Also i saw it has a sub/buy model, im also woundering how are free, paid and subed players balanced out? if ur free vs subed how are ur chances?

ty.

expierence system is better than insipration.
currently quite a lot of people playing
yes permadeath
max 330 ( if subscribed) stats, so no more random people bashing down walls with their bare hands.
you SHOULD focus on one thing, but since now theres a max cap ons tats. eventually you will be able to maximaize everything.
free is max 300 skills, subbed is 300.
also 30 % faster, i think, lvling for subbed people. but almost same reachability.

[DDDsDD999]

hello this was prb asked like 100 times before but im not fond of reading 200 days old posts so il ask it in my own thread

iwe been playing wurm, xsyon and mostly SALEM alot and then i heard about this game. I stoped playing salem since they original devs droped the game, i dont like the inspiration system,
i was woundering how is heaven and heart compared to Salem and how is the game in general? alot of people playing? same permadeath system? easy to lose all your items to people that have 600+ stats and 3 hit break walls?
also how is it compared to skills? can u master everything or u have to focus on 1-2 skills like farming and trade for rest of the materials? i saw a few videos but im still woundering if i should get into H&H.
Also i saw it has a sub/buy model, im also woundering how are free, paid and subed players balanced out? if ur free vs subed how are ur chances?

ty.

Salem was based pretty heavily on haven. I much prefer haven though. Check out this link for how many players are playing at any given time. The salem counter is ambiguous as fuck so it's tough to compare, but I'd say haven is more active, at least at the moment.

You're likely to permadie at some point, but the current inheritance mechanics mean you inherit 30% of your stats when you die, an additional 20% if you bury the body, and another 10% if you bury the skull. Ultimately you can recover 60% of your stats if you can recover your body for a burial. Player stats are capped at 300-330 based on if they're a free player or sub. As such, you can't currently bash walls in the course of an hour.

In skills, it's pretty easy to get all of them except the two end tier ones, Deep Artifice and Druidic Rites which mostly just increase your output a bit. The big thing is the incrementable skills. Most people run multiple characters to be capable of multiple things.

I wouldn't worry about the increase in stat gain from subbing, you're going to make more mistakes in stat raising because you're a new player than the sub is going to affect. You don't really need a sub to play.

[bloodberserker]

ty for the answer guys, im guessing id have to buy the game tho, since i can see free players have like 14 hours a week of play time? or is that old?

[Glorthan]

I haven't played salem but...

• There is permadeath but with an automatic return of 30% of skills and stats when you inherit. This can be increased up to 60% if your body (20%) and skull (10%) are buried. In practice as skills are linearly harder to increase the 60% is closer to 36% of lp/effort, but it's still significant.
• There are a lot of people playing right now as the world just reset. You can check the player count on the homepage. It remains to be seen how many stay in the months after the reset, but it should be more than the last world.
• Breaking walls involves either leaving a ram for 24 hours and hoping it doesn't get destroyed, or an involved siege system that will likely only be used on large targets, not hermits - assuming you have a claim and palisade down of course.
• Skills are capped at 300 (330 for subs, 310 for verified). This takes a fair while to achieve, but you can theoretically be a jack of all trades to maximum efficiency if you play enough. In practice, most hermits use at least a couple of characters. It's beneficial to use less developed characters for foraging for example, as it's very easy to run into hostile players, and losing a forage alt won't set you back much at all.
• The biggest difference between subscribed, verified and free players is the bonus lp gain: 10% extra for verified, 30% extra for subscribed. The level cap also exists, but is less significant.

EDIT: ninjaed while typing. The old system used to limit playtime, the new system does not.

[bloodberserker]

yay ok ty for the answers, especialy about the ninja tread
now i just need to find a non hostile , non agressive , neighbour cuz i suck at these solo XD

[Glorthan]

You should check out the dwarves and thieves subforum.

[1MoreGamer]

hello this was prb asked like 100 times before but im not fond of reading 200 days old posts so il ask it in my own thread

iwe been playing wurm, xsyon and mostly SALEM alot and then i heard about this game. I stoped playing salem since they original devs droped the game, i dont like the inspiration system,
i was woundering how is heaven and heart compared to Salem and how is the game in general? alot of people playing? same permadeath system? easy to lose all your items to people that have 600+ stats and 3 hit break walls?
also how is it compared to skills? can u master everything or u have to focus on 1-2 skills like farming and trade for rest of the materials? i saw a few videos but im still woundering if i should get into H&H.
Also i saw it has a sub/buy model, im also woundering how are free, paid and subed players balanced out? if ur free vs subed how are ur chances?

ty.

Its very hard, and very strategic. its a good idea to get all skills if your planning on playing solo, but its better to focus on 1 skill if youre in a village

[linkfanpc]

ty for the answer guys, im guessing id have to buy the game tho, since i can see free players have like 14 hours a week of play time? or is that old?

That is the W8 payment system. It is now W9 and is now totally F2P and you have limitless time.

[Orcling]

ty for the answer guys, im guessing id have to buy the game tho, since i can see free players have like 14 hours a week of play time? or is that old?

That is the W8 payment system. It is now W9 and is now totally F2P and you have limitless time.

We are still limited to 24 hours a day
I wish we could break THAT time barrier.