American Politics, in the words of an elected California Dem

[CaddoPuma]

Warning. The following is political. If you dont want to talk politics, do not proceed.







The mayor of Livermore California explains Trump’s popularity and success. This is perhaps the best explanation for Trump's popularity ....

Marshall Kamena is a registered Democrat and was elected mayor of Livermore, CA.. He ran on the democratic ticket as he knew a Bay Area city would never vote for a Republican. He is as conservative as they come. He wrote the following:

Trump’s 'lack of decorum, dignity, and statesmanship' By Marshall Kamena, Mayor of Livermore, CA.

My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I’m not bothered by Donald Trump’s lack of decorum. They ask if I don’t think his tweets are “beneath the dignity of the office.”

Here’s my answer: We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.

We tried statesmanship.

Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as John McCain?

We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney?

And the results were always the same. This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.

I don’t find anything “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper” about Barack Obama’s lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party.

I don’t see anything “dignified” in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks.

I don’t see anything “statesman-like” in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent.

Yes, Obama was “articulate” and “polished” but in no way was he in the least bit “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper.”

The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale.. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.

The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.

With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America ’s first wartime president in the Culture War.

During wartime, things like “dignity” and “collegiality” simply aren’t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.

Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today.

Lincoln rightly recognized that, “I cannot spare this man. He fights.”

General George Patton was a vulgar-talking.. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would barely be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

Trump is fighting. And what’s particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel’s, he’s shouting, “You magnificent bastards, I read your book!”

That is just the icing on the cake, but it’s wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he’s defeating the Left using their own tactics. That book is Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals – a book so essential to the Liberals’ war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis.

It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.

Trump’s tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after “the fake media” — and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri — Trump isolated CNN.. He made it personal.

Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as “the most powerful weapon of all.”... Most importantly, Trump’s tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. ... They need to respond.

This leaves them with only two choices. They can either “go high” (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery. The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve. It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive.

Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama’s close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers & Bernardine Dohrn), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright’s church.

Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration’s weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration’s cover-up.

So, to my friends on the Left — and the #NeverTrumpers as well — do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be “collegial” and “dignified” and “proper”? Of course I do.

These aren’t those times. This is war. And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.

So, say anything you want about this president - I get it - he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don’t care. I can’t spare this man. He fights for America!

Please pass this on..over and over, and again and again...

[MagicManICT]

Well, to be honest, I can't think of a president one that wasn't some form of asshole while in office going back to.. ever? They've all had their vices. They've all made blunders. ("We'll begin bombing Russia in 5 minutes" ring a bell?)

Don't excuse it on either side. Don't vote for it on either side. Tell them all to get lost and vote for someone that deserves the respect and honor of the offices that they're running for. If this asshat thinks he's better than anyone else, he's only propping up the broken system. Be rude, be crude. Put the libtards and the alt-right nutjobs in their places. The center of this country is being torn apart by the extremes.

[CaddoPuma]

... If this **** thinks he's better than anyone else, he's only propping up the broken system...

Let's be honest. Would you ever vote for anyone who doesnt think he's better for the job than anyone else? If someone told me, "I'm no better than any of you." I'd interrupt his speech and tell him to cancel his campaign and make room for someone who is better than all of us because I want the decisions that shape my country to be made by the best, not by an average Joe.

[MagicManICT]

My point was more that he's propping up the system by pandering to this extremism in America. There's getting be little difference between the emotional maturity of the US and certain other "undesirable" countries in the world.

[CaddoPuma]

My point was more that he's propping up the system by pandering to this extremism in America. There's getting be little difference between the emotional maturity of the US and certain other "undesirable" countries in the world.

I respect your opinion, but I have a different perspective. Others think he's insane, but I think he's crazy like a fox. He only seems crazy to those of us without the insight to understand that his methods are extremely effective at accomplishing his goals and confusing the heck out of those who would try to stop him from delivering on his campaign promises.

[jordancoles]

My point was more that he's propping up the system by pandering to this extremism in America. There's getting be little difference between the emotional maturity of the US and certain other "undesirable" countries in the world.

I respect your opinion, but I have a different perspective. Others think he's insane, but I think he's crazy like a fox. He only seems crazy to those of us without the insight to understand that his methods are extremely effective at accomplishing his goals and confusing the heck out of those who would try to stop him from delivering on his campaign promises.

I wouldn't say it's working for him, or for anyone else.

He's the subject of a federal investigation and he has managed to drag his family into it with him. He has thrown everyone who put trust in him under the bus whenever the chance came up. His trade tariffs were met with 1:1 retaliation which will directly affect the average citizen, and he is shitting on allies of over 100 years (allies who are still actively fighting a war alongside the US troops) by declaring them a security risk. He pulled out of the Iran deal and made the world question the legitimacy of American deals, and that's only in recent news.

I'm sorry, but America is the current laughing stock of the world and if you take one step outside of the Fox News bubble you could see it from space

[CaddoPuma]

...I wouldn't say it's working for him, or for anyone else.

Of course you wouldnt. And yet unemployment overall in America is at a all time low, Unemployment among African American males is at an all time low, Unemployment among Hispanics is at an all time low, The economy is rebounding, and President Trump is putting America First. For all your spin and propaganda, He's still keeping his campaign promises.

...He's the subject of a federal investigation and he has managed to drag his family into it with him...

An obviously politically motivated witch-hunt, based on lie, run by a supporter of Sec. Clinton and staffed top-to bottom with a "investgatvie team" of donators to the Sec. Clinton campaign. And yet for all their best efforts for over a year, the only Russian collusion to be found is a candidate paying a law firm which in turn paid a PR firm which then paid a former KGB operative to write a report using Russian sources to fabricate a fake dossier. When this dossier was complete, the dossier was used to get a FISA warrant by presenting the uncollaborated, totally fabricated dossier as fact. Even if tis "investigation" wasnt hatched in lies and built on misinformation, the fact that it has goone for over a year and failed to prove a single shred of evidence should be enough to convinve any person of at least average intelligence that an investigation means nothing until it proves something.

...His trade tariffs were met with 1:1 retaliation...

Of course. Every baby resists any effort to ween them from the teet. After 80 years of feeding at the trough of biased trade agreements designed to support and rebuild wartorn countries who werent economically stable enough to rebuild on their own, they have not only failed to appreciate this fabricated advantage; have not only come to expect it; but somehow have convinced themselves that we actually owe them trade deals which artificially make it easier for us to buy their goods than to make our own. Why do we need Canada's milk? We have cows. Why do we need the UKs steel? We have iron and coal. Why not put our own people back to work making the things we need instead of paying other countries to make it for us? Funny how you people all whine and complain about the US "policing" the world, yet you have no problem with us funding, feeding, and propping up the world.

...He pulled out of the Iran deal and made the world question the legitimacy of American deals...

That was just another example of a globalist leftist foolishly forcing the US into a deal we never should have made in the first place because it not only rewarded our enemies but aided their ability to oppose us. It would have been foolish for him not to pull out of that deal just as it was foolish for President Obama to enter into it in the first place. Pulling out of bad deals shouldnt make anyone question the legitimacy of our deals. Making bad deals should.

...America is the current laughing stock of the world...

You are not the world.

if you take one step outside of the Fox News bubble

I dont watch Fox News. Why dont you step out of the Clinton News Network bubble?

[jordancoles]

Damn, you're in this pretty deep, huh?

Responding to all of your points looks like a good way to waste a few hours of my life. I'll pass.

But I will say, Hillary Clinton is not the president. Focus on Trump when talking about Trump; Hillary is a strawman.

[CaddoPuma]

Damn, you're in this pretty deep, huh?

Responding to all of your points looks like a good way to waste a few hours of my life. I'll pass.

But I will say, Hillary Clinton is not the president. Focus on Trump when talking about Trump; Hillary is a strawman.

Beautiful attempt at obfuscation. Want me to focus on Trump? Ok/ Let's so that. There is not a single shred of evidence behind, inside, or uncovered by the FBI investigation that in anyway supports the CNN narrative of collusion with Russia. This FBI investigation in which you put so much hype is a pure nothing burger.

[azrid]

I declare CaddoPuma the victor of this thread.