liquid sky gaming

[viznew]

https://gaming.liquidsky.com

has anyone used this chould it run haven,

im tempted to try it

but figured id ask a few places first see if theres any word on it

[MagicManICT]

Looks like a streaming service you install to both devices: the host device runs the app/program/game, the terminal device handles input and sends it back to the host. It should, in theory, work with Haven and literally any other thing you might want to do if you have a means of giving proper input through the terminal device.

In this case, they're running the host and charging a fee. The upside is that you just need a smart phone or other supported device (looks like Win and Android for now?) and can access whatever you load to your storage. Whether they support Java apps or not is something they aren't advertising, but looks like (without digging into it) that you could if you installed java to your cloud.

That leaves "proper input." I'm not sure you could manage it on a smartphone without some sort of plug-in keyboard or input remapping.

That said, there are means of doing this with your home pc for a flat fee + your normal internet connection. Windows has this built in with some versions. The downside is that it wouldn't be as portable as the cloud service should allow you access to the closest gateway for best performance.

[viznew]

i gave in and paid to check it out tryed to get haven up but had some issues mainly it wont load up ask which app to use lol i dealt with something like it before but cant remmebr what to do and i didnt wanna waste the points i got but dang it plays rim world better then my computer which is amazing def will try to get haven running after a little digging and got time

i downloaded java but still lol urrgg i dummy but ima get it

(make sure to turn off sky computer when exit it will continue to run useing points lol)

[shubla]

I dont think that this is a new concept. Things like http://onlive.com/ have been around for a while.

They all have the same problem. Latency is way too big, and many people dont have good enough internet to stream the video part. Also screen size and controls suck for most games in mobile and tablets.

They are also quite expensive, sure, the gpu's can be shared which makes them cheaper. BUT you still need like 1 gpu for every user because on peak times many people will be playing. (i dont know the level of virtualization that can be done on gpus, for example, could multiple users use the same gpu for their gaming?) Their recommended tier costs 300 $ / year, with that price you can get a decent computer in few years.

[viznew]

I dont think that this is a new concept. Things like http://onlive.com/ have been around for a while.

They all have the same problem. Latency is way too big, and many people dont have good enough internet to stream the video part. Also screen size and controls suck for most games in mobile and tablets.

They are also quite expensive, sure, the gpu's can be shared which makes them cheaper. BUT you still need like 1 gpu for every user because on peak times many people will be playing. (i dont know the level of virtualization that can be done on gpus, for example, could multiple users use the same gpu for their gaming?) Their recommended tier costs 300 $ / year, with that price you can get a decent computer in few years.

my issues is i ride the bus / ferry to work few hours a day and i work 12s so my only free time is on my phone i dont wanna carry a laptop that might get stolen from work but i wanna play certains games my phone cant play

[MagicManICT]

If you're talking $300 US, it'll get you a refurb system with integrated GPU like an AMD A10 or Intel Pentium. You might be able to get an i3 or low end i5 if you want to go a generation older. For a couple years worth, then you're talking a decent gaming system, but probably not as good as the remote host is running. For that, you're looking more like $1200 to $1500.

Of course, they can probably get by with a lot of virtualization. A lot of the games want to play on the go are generally ones with simple designs or input schemes, and generally have lower processing requirements. Many of the terminals will be phones or tablet devices with significantly lower resolutions, so that will also decrease processing needs drastically. (Why process at 1080 when the target device is only a smartphone with a quarter of the resolution?)

Good to hear that they run well. I'm not sure it's worth it in the long run to have a cheap pc and run something like this given the costs per year vs a good gaming system over an equivalent period of time. Costs of both will come down over time. Spending a bit more on a good system usually means you don't need to upgrade so fast, especially now that everything is centered around the console life cycle.

As far as shubla's latency question, a 50ms latency is going to land you in the 20fps territory. More than playable for most games, unless you're one of these people who have to run everything at 60fps.

My question on the system would be more about bandwidth.

[viznew]

it played haven super good also but on my phone can do almost anything excempt right clickT-T which is sueprizingly vital

but i do expience connection issues which dont stop the sky computer its rare and so far only once but i lost my colony of rim wprld cause of it as it took me 30 mins to reconnect which is terriable but overall i really like it

i know its bad but i wanna get a bot for something load it to my sky computer and let it run as long as i got points it will never atop lol

[shubla]

Many of the terminals will be phones or tablet devices with significantly lower resolutions, so that will also decrease processing needs drastically. (Why process at 1080 when the target device is only a smartphone with a quarter of the resolution?)

I think all phones use AT LEAST 1080p these days. At least the one that I bought 4 years ago was 1080p, and the cheap one that I recently bought also is 1080p.

I am not sure if it is possible to have like, 50 gpus and then 200 people playing games, load shared on all of them? Probably not at least with the standard gpus. There would be problems with bandwidth maybe.
But then again, there is Nvidia SLI and AMD crossfire, so using multiple gpus is possible at least. And multiple screens are also supported by most gpus.

[MagicManICT]

I think all phones use AT LEAST 1080p these days. At least the one that I bought 4 years ago was 1080p, and the cheap one that I recently bought also is 1080p.

They might render in 1080, but not all have an actual 1080 display. Unless you go to a high end phone, most still top out around 750-800 pixel width. It is changing as tech that created the first full HD capable phones becomes cheaper, but it's still not considered standard yet. (The phones I've been looking at recently to replace my aging thing certainly don't have 1080 resolution, some aren't even at the 720 range, but I'm a cheap bastard and my desktop needs replacing before I spend more than a hundred or two on a phone.)

[Bogey]

That's actually kind of funny that I decided to hop on the forums right when someone made a Liquidsky thread, if you look through my post you can notice that 2 years ago I actually recommended it to someone.

I like how it's usually the people who never tried the service trying to bash on it and saying how latency is too high while not having any experience. I loved Liquidsky in the past when I still had a crappy PC, it used to be really good. I was few hundred kilometers away from their server in Frankfurt and damn did it run good, could max out any game and latency was very low. No problems playing FPS whatsoever and I didn't have amazing internet too, 35 Mbps for 1080 @ 60fps (that's for europe ofc).

Back then they had no limits, you could use it as much as you wanted and for a broke teenager it was a dream deal. Nowadays though they kinda went to shit, their pricing is horrible. I wouldn't really recommend it anymore, 2 years ago they still had the -50% type of deal, now they charge a lot.

It's also that my perception changed too though, after getting a job and building myself a proper rig I don't really see a point of such services, although I must say that they do indeed run very nice. Another service you may want to try is Geforce Now, though you can't play H&H here.

The latency is really not that much of a deal as people make it out to be, I think Geforce Now is even better in these terms. I wouldn't hope for much when it comes to gaming on a phone, most games don't really play nicely, it's a fun concept but in reality it doesn't really work.