Russia invades Ukraine

[Halbertz]

Default world language was meant.

MadNomad is just being intentionally obtuse and it would do your sanity well to just ignore the troll, but for future reference the precise term for this is 'lingua franca'.

[Trappin]

bionerd23
162K subscribers
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chernobyl 2012 II: the red radioactive forest (deja vu)

https://youtu.be/iQrLpqgxSBw?t=230

chernobyl 2012 II: digging up highly radioactive waste (includes HPGe gamma spectroscopy!)

https://youtu.be/mbWHDjSAwsU?t=415

[VDZ]

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Not 'ackchyually', but 'this is the word you were looking for, you can use this to eliminate ambiguity'.

bionerd23
162K subscribers
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chernobyl 2012 II: the red radioactive forest (deja vu)

https://youtu.be/iQrLpqgxSBw?t=230

chernobyl 2012 II: digging up highly radioactive waste (includes HPGe gamma spectroscopy!)

https://youtu.be/mbWHDjSAwsU?t=415

At some point she checks her phone for how much the practical impact of the exposure is, and it indicates 1.2 milligrays per hour. That is: 0.0012 Gy for every hour spent there, ignoring the fact that the body cleans it up over time (relevant considering the very small dose). You need at least 0.25 Gy to have very mild, not directly noticeable symptoms, and 1 Gy to get the first directly noticeable symptoms (nausea and the like). That means you'd need to spend 833 hours (over 34 days) there just to feel a little bit sick. Granted, there are no doubt places that give a stronger dose, but even then, you'll need at least twice that much to have any reasonable risk of dying to it in the short term. For them to actually 'get fried' they'd need several times that dose. It would take months at the least. And even all that ignores the proximity factor - that's the dose you'd get while digging. As they're definitely not digging 24/7 their actual dose over time will be far, far lower. You can basically live there if you don't mind quite possibly dying of cancer before reaching retirement age.

[Trappin]

The notion that the soldiers spent 24/7 digging trenches is a red herring, Your red herring. No one claimed such a thing. Yet you make it the baseline for you conclusion that DNA is not even nominally affected by cesium 137 or strontium90 found in the exclusion zone. Look at radiation disbursement maps for the region. Yeah, some areas are less toxic. Those are the places where a few people still live. The regons that got fried? No one lives there. Grandma Babuska is long gone.

Fact: The soldiers lived in the trenches, dugouts and reventments for weeks on end. They slept in dugouts. They made their meals there. Installed monitoring devices. Rigged anti-personnel tripwires. Set up ambush positions. Patrolled their sectors. Patrolled day and night 24/7. Because that's what infantry combat troops do. It is hard, physical work. War is 24/7.

The post hole soil and the hole itself were found to be close to 30% more toxic than the surrounding surface soil. The Russian troops dug holes twiice as deep as the post holes. (I doubt they manually excavated the revetments).

Not ten years ago geneticists were referring to sections of our DNA as "junk DNA". They thought it DNA for lizard tails or trilobite eyeballs. But then they discovered that some of those sections were in fact not "junk" but .. not junk. So. Those 18 year old Russian troops who were heavily dosed and not literally "FRIED?" or "Roasted" like tonight's Chicken Kyiv frozen dinner? Well, if there is a problem the Russian Ministry of Defense will keep us informed. And if their children have problems? Twenty years from now? Who cares.? In this case the point is to be a scientific minimalist to win an internet argument. I mean to say - its obvious that I'm a emotiolnally charged unhinged alarmist.


Fried. Cooked. Baked. Roasted or gently warmed.

[MadNomad]

Why exactly "arrogant" is the word that describes their behavior?

well I heard of a case who was mean and had angriness in his face!

MadNomad is just being intentionally obtuse and it would do your sanity well to just ignore the troll

just because I said "some" doesn't mean that I meant "all"

they are just trying to make Poles, Ukrainians and Russians bark at each other! if mass media were really interested in peace they would stop making provocations at Russia

so yeah, bark at each other! jump into each other's throats! you will achieve a lot this way!

it can also be like this that NATO drops some bomb ukraine, then makes drama in mass media and says it was russia and people wouldn't see the difference, etc. if you see a plane in the sky how can you tell who is the owner anyway? you can't because you're not a specialist on military things!

they are also baiting Ukrainians out of their country, so naive Ukrainians abandon their homes they worked all life for etc.

they also want to put Ukrainian and Pole together on tiny amount of space in a tiny cage so they jump into each other's throats and bark at each other

even if you see a Pole and Ukrainian who are nice to each other, they might have language difficulties, which is also an intended thing, etc.

later we can cause some shit between Mexico and USA or any other places in the world when needed! (depending on where there will be need to do so)

[VDZ]

The notion that the soldiers spent 24/7 digging trenches is a red herring, Your red herring. No one claimed such a thing. Yet you make it the baseline for you conclusion that DNA is not even nominally affected by cesium 137 or strontium90 found in the exclusion zone. Look at radiation disbursement maps for the region. Yeah, some areas are less toxic. Those are the places where a few people still live. The regons that got fried? No one lives there. Grandma Babuska is long gone.

Fact: The soldiers lived in the trenches, dugouts and reventments for weeks on end. They slept in dugouts. They made their meals there. Installed monitoring devices. Rigged anti-personnel tripwires. Set up ambush positions. Patrolled their sectors. Patrolled day and night 24/7. Because that's what infantry combat troops do. It is hard, physical work. War is 24/7.

The post hole soil and the hole itself were found to be close to 30% more toxic than the surrounding surface soil. The Russian troops dug holes twiice as deep as the post holes. (I doubt they manually excavated the revetments).

Not ten years ago geneticists were referring to sections of our DNA as "junk DNA". They thought it DNA for lizard tails or trilobite eyeballs. But then they discovered that some of those sections were in fact not "junk" but .. not junk. So. Those 18 year old Russian troops who were heavily dosed and not literally "FRIED?" or "Roasted" like tonight's Chicken Kyiv frozen dinner? Well, if there is a problem the Russian Ministry of Defense will keep us informed. And if their children have problems? Twenty years from now? Who cares.? In this case the point is to be a scientific minimalist to win an internet argument. I mean to say - its obvious that I'm a emotiolnally charged unhinged alarmist.


Fried. Cooked. Baked. Roasted or gently warmed.

I'm not denying there will be long-term consequences, but 'fried' implies they got incapacitated in the short term. That didn't happen. They'll live long enough in seemingly good health to make Ukrainians' lives hell for who knows how long, and only much later face the consequences to their own health. There's not enough exposure for significant short-term impact.

[Ferinex]

A little premature, but welcome to the imperial core, Sweden!

[Trappin]

I'm not denying there will be long-term consequences, but 'fried' implies they got incapacitated in the short term. That didn't happen. They'll live long enough in seemingly good health to make Ukrainians' lives hell for who knows how long, and only much later face the consequences to their own health. There's not enough exposure for significant short-term impact.

I shouldn't have used the word FRIED. I appreciate that you understand my point - that there are possible long term consequences to living and working in the exclusion zone. I'll note that the science lady linked above? She isn't an alarmist - though there is a significant difference between her visits and the troops. She follows exposure protocols. She goes through daily decontamination upon exiting the zone. She uploaded the process. It's worth watching.

Historical Comparison: Finland's Winter War vs Russian Invasion of Ukraine.
https://youtu.be/-sbmgOiQWjc

The video is very good - I know the book he read and is summing up in the video narrative. The Winter War: Russia's Invasion Of Finland, 1939-40. The book is okay, but needs serious editing (the dozens and dozens of parenthetical asides distract from the narrative.) The video fellow needs to credit the author of the book.

Finnish war photos: http://sa-kuva.fi/neo?tem=webneoeng#

[tewenami]

Russian prisoners of war telling how they ended up in Ukraine - Many videos with english subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/c/VolodymyrZolkin/videos


The Scariest Conversation Between Russian Soldier And His Mother! A Real Evidence Of Atrocities!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrTxm9AqP38


Russian state TV threatens nuclear strike on UK and warns of radioactive tidal wave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4eJvwtQJu4


Ukraine Leaks
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_m8FKp7REuxZAaOTbRrvug/videos


Fuck Putin! And if nothing changes fuck whole Russia soon. Jorbtar should suspend all Russ ip's to show they don't support this shit. These people should be doing something else to make a change from inside and not play games

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[CorwinOfAmber]

just putting some historic perspective on modern events

from 2010 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mciLyG9iexE&t=2s

from 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&t=3225s

anyone who didnt see this coming merely hasnt been paying attention.