Im done.

[Aerona]

You can, in fact, build a palisade while getting constantly raided, so long as you store the resources and build the wall somewhere else. Coping isn't about bashing your head against a wall until either your head is flat or the wall is round, it's about making the best of a bad situation. And one of the best ways you can do that is to not just stay right in the middle of a bad situation. If you don't want to change how you think, then you're not going to get much out of gaming in general.

[tyrtix]

You can, in fact, build a palisade while getting constantly raided, so long as you store the resources and build the wall somewhere else. Coping isn't about bashing your head against a wall until either your head is flat or the wall is round, it's about making the best of a bad situation. And one of the best ways you can do that is to not just stay right in the middle of a bad situation. If you don't want to change how you think, then you're not going to get much out of gaming in general.

more coping, more ways to keep things as they are, ie not working. The best way to do things out of bad situations here is shown every year by hundreds of players: go play something else. Your strategy surely works fine! it shows! tell me again who is not changing point of view. Maybe i'll just wait 3-4 months after the dust settles and the game appeals mostly to other players than the most toxic we can find around like last world, btw...

[terechgracz]

Just be smarter than your opponents and you'll set up your pallisade.

[tyrtix]

Just be smarter than your opponents and you'll set up your pallisade.

again, this does not means someone can get in and steal everything because is far easier to play like this than not. Mechanics encourages play like that, and game do not provide mechanics to prevent such behaviours because ppl keep coping instead of believing they should change.

[Flameturtle]

I mean you could wait a couple of weeks and then your low q shit wont even be worth taking if you really want that spot. But honestly, like everyone is telling you, just move until you can put down a palisade. Sometimes you get lucky on a world start and you only have to move once or twice. Sometimes you have to move 6+ times. I understand that you think that this shouldn't be the case, but that's the game we have and the vision of the developers.

There are also a lot of reasons why we ended up with these systems that require things to have to spend time to soak and much of them are much more potentially problematic than people having to move camp occasionally. Say you found a perfect spot and you managed to get your claim down and your palisade without any trouble, then someone comes along with 4 fresh alt (you can get yeomanry in like 10-20 minutes with the beginning of quests) and they each put a claim around yours. You'd want to be able to stop them doing that so you can expand your own, or at least not get penned in. Allowing them to be bashed makes sure that isn't a problem, which is much better solution than just letting everyone claim everywhere and then crying to jorbtar and hoping that they will spend their very limited time to fix the situation.

[Rodimus]

Can't say much but I'm enjoying the 1-hour gameplay every time I log on the game.
Not the best nor the most optimal but at least my hearthling is still alive and kicking.

[tyrtix]

Say you found a perfect spot and you managed to get your claim down and your palisade without any trouble, then someone comes along with 4 fresh alt (you can get yeomanry in like 10-20 minutes with the beginning of quests) and they each put a claim around yours. You'd want to be able to stop them doing that so you can expand your own, or at least not get penned in. Allowing them to be bashed makes sure that isn't a problem, which is much better solution than just letting everyone claim everywhere and then crying to jorbtar and hoping that they will spend their very limited time to fix the situation.

wurm online solved that day one like 20 years ago adding a perimeter to claim, and then again adding an area around the perimeter you cannot claim...you can still be penned in but not that easy. the fact that different solutions were not found over time, is also caused by yesmen players, and i found that often those players have a reason to keep things as they are...
Example: ppl use alts to store keys and other important stuff, leaving it offline from the server, making them effectively impossible to be stolen. This may actually be incorporated as a feature, as a mechanic, instead of making it an elaborate workaround that new players won't find and instead leave the game as they get raided. Having an hidden stash not seen in game, but present, like hidden in a tree, would be an easier way to store stuff than an alt, more interesting, and easier.
Another option: rename stealth into security, make lock ql tied to security level, so your locks can have better ql than mere 10 until you get metal or better blocks; add a magical way to retrieve stolen items like nidbanes tracks down criminals, distance effect based on your security skill.

mechanics should reward effort, not workarounds, the latter are bad game desing mechanics.

[terechgracz]

Yes, adding ender chest would be great feature.

[abt79]

Players have more aggregate time to play than devs do to consider+develop patches; the former will always find loopholes faster than the devs can remove them (and devs aren’t always willing or able to, as in the case of alt vault). If you don’t use said exploits and strategies you will be at a disadvantage, so do use them (e.g. use ‘beginner of’ and tree quests for tons of early LP, start credo and get a few chars with rage asap, keep recycling starter gear for extra slots, make multiple specialized chars, body block your cave entrance and claim pole with alts if need be, play with as many friends as possible, cheese animals like fox/badger ASAP for early mats, make your 10 pali leather from mole hide).

If you dont want competition, dont play a game where resources (most notably land) are limited. The developers did not want to allow players to permanently “win” that competition over a piece of land and its goodies, so claims are contestable with ease relative to their age. The strongest players (in terms of numbers, stats - which are relatively equal for now, and game knowledge) will always win these competitions provided they know and care enough to try, so if you dont want to lose your claim before it sets, stay hidden enough stronger groups don’t know about you or far away enough they don’t care - or just be the strong enough to defend it. This world’s spawn continent is overpopulated that cave strat becomes worse (there are enough players that caves dont just go ignored) but it isnt really that hard to leave the continent via whirlpools and animal burrows (which players dont usually check) still exist and have enough room for a hermit to make leather in a claim.

The development philosophy revolves around this competition over the game world and its resources so maybe your idea of playing a different game holds water, for you.

[tyrtix]

The development philosophy revolves around this competition over the game world and its resources so maybe your idea of playing a different game holds water, for you.

Yep, that is my point, atm game caters principally to that kind of playstyle, so probaby the best thing to do is go back playing something different, and pparently there are a lot of players thinking like that. Again, bit sad tho.