Game Development: Pay Me Again

[grumgrumganoe]

We’ve been thinking, and here’s what’s gonna happen:

Key Fixes

• All of your accounts are going to be deleted. Whoops!
• As a very unfortunate consequence of this fix, you will need to re-buy verification, subscription playtime tokens, that one year gold subscription you bought last week in anticipation of an ass wipe, and any hats you wish to keep…
• …on the plus side, all Store hats (with the exception of the verification hat and current Gold Sub hats, of course ) will be re-added to the store for all your purchasing needs. As store hats have been given somewhat arbitrary varying prices and because inflation has retroactively raised some of the prices, we’ve decided to set all the newly reinstated store hats at the fair price of 75$USD apiece, or equivalent value in your regional currency of choice. A small sum to pay for such rare and previously unavailable treasures!
• We will slowly be making the old Subscription Bonus Exclusive Hats available in future Subscription Bonus Hat catalogues…if you want your Very Special Animated Hat back, sit tight.
• Rest assured that this is not something we predict will happen too often. Whatever Permanent benefits you purchase will last much longer this time, we promise!

Maybe time to…buy a hat?

[Robben_DuMarsch]

Zadek, have you considered working at a Walmart for two hours to pay for the verification and subscription for the game you've spent hundreds of hours playing and thousands of hours posting on the forum for?

[Dawidio123]

Zadek, have you considered working at a Walmart for two hours to pay for the verification and subscription for the game you've spent hundreds of hours playing and thousands of hours posting on the forum for?

He could probably pay for it with all the money he saved living rent-free in your head

[noindyfikator]

15$ for sub is equal to 2 working hours for minimal wage in Poland. That's really not a big deal..

Different scenario with hats, kinda sad to see all steam spruces with paper bag hat for which I paid 100$ and more importantly was really unique

[heros101]

Do you like being scammed because i dont. Its not a matter of 15$(also 15 $ for multiple accounts gets quite big), but a matter of principle

[Dawidio123]

15$ for sub is equal to 2 working hours for minimal wage in Poland. That's really not a big deal..

Different scenario with hats, kinda sad to see all steam spruces with paper bag hat for which I paid 100$ and more importantly was really unique

It's not about the money, it's about the principle of the thing while the devs excuse for it is "oh you have to be patient sorry we don't want to merge the ecosystems for some god forsaken reason".

It's same as if you bought a 15$ game on steam and after a certain patch the devs would be like "oh btw now you have to buy it again to play on the updated and cool server" or well, you can keep playing it on the old server that nobody will play on. It's just shitty.

[Robben_DuMarsch]

Do you like being scammed because i dont. Its not a matter of 15$(also 15 $ for multiple accounts gets quite big), but a matter of principle

No, I agree, the devs are making a huge mistake by re-charging their existing playerbase (the people who should be campaigning to have the game wishlisted and leaving positive reviews to see it thrive.) Instead, half of these players are going to review bomb the game because they need to buy a new verification. They are literally shooting themselves in the foot by doing this. They should immediately announce they are going to delay the steam release until they can work out a way to allow people to transfer HATS and VERIFICATION (but not tokens or the larp paper things), to steam.

Then they should offer everyone an extra, exclusive, hat if they play on steam launch weekend.

My previous comment was just poking fun at Zadek. I don't care about the money. I'd gladly pay far more than $22 to play a month of Haven on steam. But my desire to play Haven on steam is secondary to the steam launch being *a success* and I absolutely acknowledge this is a path to likely defeat not success.

[overtyped]

Do you like being scammed because i dont. Its not a matter of 15$(also 15 $ for multiple accounts gets quite big), but a matter of principle

No, I agree, the devs are making a huge mistake by re-charging their existing playerbase (the people who should be campaigning to have the game wishlisted and leaving positive reviews to see it thrive.) Instead, half of these players are going to review bomb the game because they need to buy a new verification. They are literally shooting themselves in the foot by doing this. They should immediately announce they are going to delay the steam release until they can work out a way to allow people to transfer HATS and VERIFICATION (but not tokens or the larp paper things), to steam.

Then they should offer everyone an extra, exclusive, hat if they play on steam launch weekend.

My previous comment was just poking fun at Zadek. I don't care about the money. I'd gladly pay far more than $22 to play a month of Haven on steam. But my desire to play Haven on steam is secondary to the steam launch being *a success* and I absolutely acknowledge this is a path to likely defeat not success.

TBH, they are garbage at explaining things.
What they should have eluded to is the fact that steam is separate from W15, and made that clear.

And if this is the case, what happens if you were to transfer all the hats over from world 15? Do the hats from W15 stay there, or are they now deleted? if not, and they later merge world 15 or world 16 with S1, what happens to the hats on the now merged worlds? They would duplicate. There would suddenly be twice as many hats. How's that gonna work?

If you say, the hats don't duplicate, then how would you keep track of them? What if you own a hat on W16, but sold that hat on S1? what happens after the merge? Does it get deleted after the merge? Or what if it's the other way around, you sold the hat in w16, but have it on S1? What if in theory you sold the hats on both worlds? Would the buyers of those hats be fine with one of their hats going poof with the goal of preventing duplicates?

In that case there is nothing they can do without causing a shitstorm. It's a lost cause.

How are they supposed to tackle this issue cleanly? The only solution is a one way hat transfer, with the previous hat being deleted. Not every player is going to want to transfer their hats to the new realm either. They may want it kept here. Which means loftar needs to design a whole new interface, which he may or may not be able to do in a month.

Well, he's made his bed, so I guess he's gotta lay in it.

[Robben_DuMarsch]

How are they supposed to tackle this issue cleanly?

Probably by not separating the Hafen and Steam branches into separate ecosystems to begin with.
If they refuse to walk that back, they should give everyone duplicate hats and an extra verified account on steam, understanding that if they eventually merge, they've more or less given everyone double hats and two accounts.

That'd be the clean way to handle this without upsetting their playerbase and sinking steam launch.
This is coming from someone who has literally never equipped any of their hats, and with no attachment to them. I'm looking at this purely from the perspective of trying to have a successful steam launch. Having all your OG players angry and unsupportive will not accomplish a good steam laumch.

[jacob232]

So yea..... I think W16 should've been just a plain reset. Use the process of W16 to integrate Steam Accounts into the ecosystem while they learn how to link accounts and such. During that Timeframe where they are 'still figuring it out' we would just have 2 types of player accounts, the Steam version and the Seatribe accounts.

As for hats and W15 v S1: If and when steam linking becomes a thing we would have some kind of process to determine what hats our characters still have (whatever is still stored in the Hearthfire thing? can you put hats back in?) and only those hats get migrated, This would be a one-time situation and from that point on all purchased hats would exist on both servers. Since the accounts are merged at this point even when the W15/16 gets discontinued nothing would be needed to be merged since the accounts already were.

I'm not happy with the order of operations but I will continue to do my part in being objective in my criticisms and spread word of mouth: I Will be making a new Verified Steam account when the time comes and trying to encourage and integrate the hopefully new influx of players.

I don't bother verifying or buying anything on any alt accounts so yea.......Reverifying and getting a few hats wont make me blink much when WoW and or FF14 has me shelling out $50 a year+ Sub fees