guidance needed (animal husbandry)

[lordgrunt]

So, this is baffling. newborn babe, castrated, yields unstarred bollocks. immediately followed by slaughter/butcher (with clean tool, same as for castrating) that yields starred animal products.

skin and rest of products after in this image are starred


as of now, i dont see a way to un-star an animal. some pig long time ago had to be fed something nasty which resulted in cascade of moms feeding babies starred milk. where I find this process fail is that babies are born with full bar of food. mom's food, i'd assume.
yet the balls come out clean, why? if animal is clean before it has chance to eat the food its born with (again, why?), it seems to be clean. yet butchering it results in starred products.

solution 1: make babies born with empty food bar as they should, give us the chance to feed it milk from clean mother.
solution 2: (me dont likey) star the bollocks as well for consistency.
solution 3: (best reasonable option) if baby animal didn't ticked yet the feeding process, allow us to harvest clean materials from it. this is best one imho as to achieve something clean out of my wrecked flock, one needs to be diligent enough catch the 'clean' baby before it feeds, meaning right after being born.

[dUmbins]

Most arcane mechanical interactions can best be explained with: The Developers Kind of Forgot.

Case in point: castration probably does not apply startouched to the resulting bollocks because they did not Consider that interaction. I am not sure castration requires a sharp tool at all, but if it does it is somehow exempt from the mandate that startouched tools apply the modifier. Perhaps this thread should be under Bug Reports?

One cannot properly understand this game’s so-called design without considering how developer incompetence, inattention, and constant ‘What if We Added X?’ content bloat has made Haven & Hearth what it is today.

[vatas]

Castration definitely requires a sharp tool, I remember there being an explicit error message if you try it without one.

It's not like I know how Loftar's backend code works, but I assume the thing is that: butchering is a complicated process, where the star thing has just been plugged in as another variable. Meanwhile castration is a simple binary check, that bypasses the star thing entirely. I wouldn't be surprised if the bollocks aren't even capped by the tool/character (the main variables about butchering, as previously mentioned.)

[lordgrunt]

it is definitely capped by tool Q, but i didn't try to castrate with starred tool just yet. next time.
the point is, it all feels wrong and gave me hope that there is a way to unstar my flock. my proposed suggestions are not just to merely fix a bug but to hopefully actually give us a way to do that (clean the star).
so yeah, it kinda belogs now in 3 places, questions, ideas and bugs.

[vatas]

"Cleaning the star" kind of goes against the whole concept of star icon.

It could be argued that it's way too easy for it to spread into absolutely everything with it (similar to how someone posted about trying to keep "Memories of Pain" outside his base/production chains and succeeding until just one piece of something with it made into a food through, which was enough to "contaminate" all his livestock.)

[lordgrunt]

there is supposed to be freedom to do whatever we want in this game, is it not? there should be an option to clean the star (and/or MoP). it could be argued also that star can be used offensively, infecting enemy's flock is as easy as plopping food trough right outside pali near animal farm. so having an option to clean it is something i'd like to see. other things like anvils and whatnot, obv should remain as is.

[vatas]

If I were you, I'd simply argue that Livestock should be made immune towards the "Star" status. It's not like you can "spiral" a cow in any meaningful way?

[SnuggleSnail]

"Cleaning the star" kind of goes against the whole concept of star icon.

Just put the fries in the bag re-send the bug report

lol u can literally infinitely spiral stone axes with starshards

[lordgrunt]

If I were you, I'd simply argue that Livestock should be made immune towards the "Star" status. It's not like you can "spiral" a cow in any meaningful way?

that is example of sane logic that just doesn't land well with devs, like ever?

lol u can literally infinitely spiral stone axes with starshards

this is either a thread killer or a shitposting storm outset. if you have opinion, define it, otherwise this was a pure waste of time to click that spoiler.

[Smoked-Brisket]

this is either a thread killer or a shitposting storm outset. if you have opinion, define it, otherwise this was a pure waste of time to click that spoiler.

This is the root problem of this game, this forum, this community, these developers, constant innuendo and gatekeeping. Every successful mmo in history has one thing in common, a dev team and player base that are intent on welcoming noobs. The noobs are cherished and nurtured by vets that want to keep the game viable because they love that game. Guides to the hardest parts of the game spring up on the forums and youtube because they want to see a healthy population. Any player made client is posted and adopted by anyone that pays attention. Updates are about new lands and dungeons and challenging content rather than a crop or bird or noise making device.

As it stands, this game is primarily influenced by less than 20 players who pump their numbers by alt posting to themselves. There are a couple of forum warriors who are suck-ups and see themselves as neutral caretakers of the game, but still wrap their tips in veiled clues. This situation is unlikely to be fixed because the truth is that the less than 20 has overall succeeded in drowning out the voices that actually care about a healthy fun game, and over the past couple of years the less than 20 has succeeded in co=opting the one or two neutral voices into, well, ball lickers.