Exploit: Building Visitor Gate Bound to Cave Entrance

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Re: Exploit: Building Visitor Gate Bound to Cave Entrance

Postby overtyped » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:51 am

vatas wrote:To be perfectly clear, the exploit works like this?

1. Player clicks an inconspicuous cave entrance.
2. Player pops within a visitor gate and gains Visitor status.
3. Ragebot immediately aggro's player.
4. Player can't move at all or Hearth due to combat status.

I was under impression that natural cave entrances are always (no matter how they're claimed) considered a public entity that can always be used to enter/exit. Was this stealth changed in an attempt to fix a different set of newb traps?

The issue is it puts you on the other side of the gate. You can't move through visitor gates while in combat, this means going back the way u came is not possible, since the visitor gate blocks you.

Basically once you enter the cave theres nothing more you can do except to wait until the gankers feel like taking u out.
Early world exploit: Put your hearthfire inside a cave, then hold shift to position a claim right in front of a cave. After 8 hours the claim will be unbreakable. Since your hearthfire is inside the cave, you can still get back inside, and leave, but nobody will be able to enter, effectively making you unraidable for the first 3-7 days. Enjoy
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Re: Exploit: Building Visitor Gate Bound to Cave Entrance

Postby vatas » Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:02 pm

Oh, that really sounds like a genuine exploit.

Giving cave entrances small "no-build grace zone" is probably the simplest solution.
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Re: Exploit: Building Visitor Gate Bound to Cave Entrance

Postby Vert » Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:23 pm

The proud word "fighter" loses its meaning with every world.
The fall of the fighters began from the moment the nidbanes were fixed; the fighters were perfectly able to deal with them, but it required a lot of effort. The fighters decided to take the easy way out and started crying about how the nidbanes were ruining the game. Their plan was a success; the nidbanes were nerfed.
After this, a unique opportunity opened up to crush with stats an opponent who had a little less time to level up.
Players have always tried to gain more stats than the enemy, but if earlier your remaining could be compensated by the power of needbane, now you simply became a punching bag.
This case only shows the further decomposition of the fighters, the decline in their level.
I wouldn’t be surprised if soon the 100 best fighters in the game will get together and catch the weakest individuals who are not able to fight back.

1 Nidbanes need to be returned,
2 It is necessary to add a button for knock out yourself, with a new wound that is difficult to heal. (To protect beginners trying to understand the game from abuses) The name of the wound should be I'm a shitty warrior.
I believe this button will begin to be very popular among people who consider themselves the elite.
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Re: Exploit: Building Visitor Gate Bound to Cave Entrance

Postby donbot » Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:44 pm

wow you tried to kill a peaceful soul and now youre trying to twist an intended mechanic into a bug because you got your teeth knocked in? many such cases!
What amazes me more than how light the punishment was, is how nothing was done about it ingame. I'm actually starting to think people are frightened that you'll do it again, so to protect the server, they work with you instead of going against you, all in the hopes that you will leave the server alone.
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Re: Exploit: Building Visitor Gate Bound to Cave Entrance

Postby Vert » Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:09 pm

donbot wrote:wow you tried to kill a peaceful soul and now youre trying to twist an intended mechanic into a bug because you got your teeth knocked in? many such cases!

You cant pass visitor gate with agro, if you can its a bug.
If it was a regular gate, it will be a posability to run away, people who do such a trap exatly know its a bug, they know how all types of gates work, how they should work, and how they shouldnt.
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Re: Exploit: Building Visitor Gate Bound to Cave Entrance

Postby Dawidio123 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:27 pm

Okay so if I understand the situation correctly, Misa and Noinek abused the game mechanics to bypass a visitor, so shouldn't they be banned and their village nuked? I think everyone (Except the abusers and their friends) agrees with this.
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Re: Exploit: Building Visitor Gate Bound to Cave Entrance

Postby Vert » Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:40 pm

Dawidio123 wrote:Okay so if I understand the situation correctly, Misa and Noinek abused the game mechanics to bypass a visitor, so shouldn't they be banned and their village nuked? I think everyone (Except the abusers and their friends) agrees with this.

The player leading them into this trap saved his life with the help of this bug trap, he also violated the rules of the game by passing through the visitor's gate in battle, moreover, he made a trap that violated the rules of the game, and forced players not related to the abuse of the bugs to become bug abuser.
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Re: Exploit: Building Visitor Gate Bound to Cave Entrance

Postby TheServant » Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:47 pm

Vert wrote:
Dawidio123 wrote:Okay so if I understand the situation correctly, Misa and Noinek abused the game mechanics to bypass a visitor, so shouldn't they be banned and their village nuked? I think everyone (Except the abusers and their friends) agrees with this.

The player leading them into this trap saved his life with the help of this bug trap, he also violated the rules of the game by passing through the visitor's gate in battle, moreover, he made a trap that violated the rules of the game, and forced players not related to the abuse of the bugs to become bug abuser.


Dont waste your time, hes trolling. Just perceive it as a nice bump to thread
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Re: Exploit: Building Visitor Gate Bound to Cave Entrance

Postby Olympus » Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:57 pm

Redell wrote:Wait, so based on those 3 cases, those that bypassed something got punished.
Would that make everyone that bypassed the visitor combat block in this case be marked for punishment?

Anyways, calling for divine intervention on such a small damage bug is silly.
Just a few babies getting slapped on the bottom and having their toys taken away.

I suppose if you want to start seeing more griefers use bugs on villages they don't like to use dev-nuking as a weapon.
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Re: Exploit: Building Visitor Gate Bound to Cave Entrance

Postby MightySheep » Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:59 pm

Vert wrote:The proud word "fighter" loses its meaning with every world.
The fall of the fighters began from the moment the nidbanes were fixed; the fighters were perfectly able to deal with them, but it required a lot of effort. The fighters decided to take the easy way out and started crying about how the nidbanes were ruining the game. Their plan was a success; the nidbanes were nerfed.
After this, a unique opportunity opened up to crush with stats an opponent who had a little less time to level up.
Players have always tried to gain more stats than the enemy, but if earlier your remaining could be compensated by the power of needbane, now you simply became a punching bag.
This case only shows the further decomposition of the fighters, the decline in their level.
I wouldn’t be surprised if soon the 100 best fighters in the game will get together and catch the weakest individuals who are not able to fight back.

1 Nidbanes need to be returned,
2 It is necessary to add a button for knock out yourself, with a new wound that is difficult to heal. (To protect beginners trying to understand the game from abuses) The name of the wound should be I'm a shitty warrior.
I believe this button will begin to be very popular among people who consider themselves the elite.

thats a lot of coping in 1 post, u realize its 100% skill issue right? its not time, not stats, not relying on bs game mechanics, its skill, u lack it
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