Did devs intentionally made so the game runs on only intel?

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Did devs intentionally made so the game runs on only intel?

Postby donatas081294 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:01 am

I have tried so many things to make it, so the game would use my better nvidia graphics card and not the shitty intel graphics card. Since with a newer laptop the game runs worse than with my older latop which is gone now. My shittier laptop didn't have the heat problem running on intel graphics, but my newer laptop gets really hot when using intel graphics specifily for haven and hearth. Core temp program shows how hot my internal cores are and I don't want to ruin my newer laptop with this awesome game.
I looked up forums downlaoded 64 bit java, forceable added the game on nvidia control panel and set it on high, but still while looking at task mannager gpu the game still uses intel and not nvidia. So what gives? I know that the game is old-ish and that it was made when mostly intel dominated the market and also intel is by far the most accesable, but still it's annoying that I can't choose which graphics card the game should use.
What I am missing, can someone spell it out for me?
Will report progress if any, back here.

Update 1:I've added all exe files from java and haven and hearth/hafen folders, but none of that helps and nvidia control panel seems only to add exe files. i guess if I could add the jar file the issue might be resolved. I hope I am not overloading my nvidia with those all exe fiels added, but to my knowledge the nvidia graphics card would only use them when the files are activated, but regardless me added them not even 1% of nvidia gpu was used. So I am out of ideas of what to do.

Update 2: I have doubled checked all .exe files related to java and haven and hearth/hafen that are set to high performance on nvidia control panel and fucking finally on Task Manager shows that nvidia gpu is being used, BUT!!! I come across another issue now not only nvidia gpu is being used, but also still intel gpu is also being used. Around 40%-ish for nvidia gpu, from almost 100% to now 20%-ish intel gpu and for some retarded reason my cpu is almost 100%, which I doubt it was before. I didn't check as pc was getting too hot and intel graphics card isn't really for gaming.
So what now guys?
Also I am sorry Loftar mostly and also jorb, but what kind of retarded optimization is this for this game? It's almost like the game was intended to be played with laptops from 2000s. Also why vsync isn't in the game yet? Also why there isn't an option which graphics card I would like to use if I got more than 1 to choose from?

update:3 I have added all sugested .exe files to nviidia control panel and set them on high performance, which was never mentioned, well I think. because just adding to nvidia control panel would not make it use it. But on high performance setting it is using it. It seem to be more stable now with the whole cpu, but still is shared between intel and nvidia graphics cards, don't know why, because I wanted to make it so that only nvidia graphics card was used, but oh well. Fucking optimize it already Loftar and jorb. While for the heat it seems fine as long nothing is happening on screen that requires more effects display that would require more graphics card processing power. So I need to enable the turbo boost fan (forgot the official name for it for the additional fan button). Also I got the cooling pad under my laptop with the aditonal fan turned on, which keeps from getting too hot. but still hopefully devs will optimize it way more with vsync and having a choice which graphics card to use if there are more than 1 detected on the machine that game is run on.

Final thougts I think. Finally started using nvidia graphics card, well somewhat, not to ecpected results, but it's something and got the heat under control. But still hopefully my concerns will get adressed by the devs in the near future.
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Re: Did devs intentionally made so the game runs on only int

Postby donatas081294 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:29 am

I've added all exe files from java and haven and hearth/hafen folders, but none of that helps and nvidia control panel seems only to add exe files. i guess if I could add the jar file the issue might be resolved. I hope I am not overloading my nvidia with those all exe fiels added, but to my knowledge the nvidia graphics card would only use them when the files are activated, but regardless me added them not even 1% of nvidia gpu was used. So I am out of ideas of what to do.
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Re: Did devs intentionally made so the game runs on only int

Postby borka » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:46 am

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Re: Did devs intentionally made so the game runs on only int

Postby donatas081294 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:58 am

borka wrote:just a few days ago

viewtopic.php?f=47&t=66740#p843242


I've done the same and still the haven and hearth using intel graphics card and not nvidia gaprhics card.
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Re: Did devs intentionally made so the game runs on only int

Postby borka » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:03 am

What is your Notebook Manufacturer and Model?
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Re: Did devs intentionally made so the game runs on only int

Postby donatas081294 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:23 am

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Re: Did devs intentionally made so the game runs on only int

Postby borka » Sun Dec 22, 2019 6:07 am

Shouldn't be a prob ... depending on what windows version (some older W10 caused probs with Optimus) and having both Intel and Nvidia graphic drivers installed ... (hopefully you got rid of all the bloatware ;) )
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Re: Did devs intentionally made so the game runs on only int

Postby MagicManICT » Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:55 am

No, Nvidia is causing this problem, along with Microsoft, and the way power management is handled in Windows 10 on laptops. At least, that's my understanding of the problem. If configuring the .exe files in the Nvidia drivers hasn't worked at all, you can try messing with power profiles to see if forcing full power will keep the system from dumping the workload to the integrated GPU. It may or may not help, but from a few things I've read, it might.

Another solution is to try to completely disable the integrated graphics all together, either through Windows or via BIOS, but I understand that is less of an option now than it was a couple years ago.

Not really on topic, but to address the concern:

As far as heat, more likely you'd be ruining your lap with excess heat generation. Intel chips can run pretty hot (80 C, 160 F depending on model) without any issues. You only need to worry if you start getting shutdown warnings on heat build-up, or the computer automatically shuts down. In these cases, other software will eventually cause it, too. There may be a manufacturing defect in the laptop (could simply be a heatsink or cooling isn't installed for functioning correctly), or you're just going to need an add-on laptop cooler to try and siphon excess heat away.

And that brings up a theory, and it's more a random stab at a potential problem rather than a diagnostic. I don't know how the laptop is designed or what sort of firmware and software is used for managing this (if any). IF the laptop is having heat issues, it could be there is an internal control that is disabling certain features or forcing the system into a lower power mode. Lower power can actually generate more heat in processors and complicate the problem if the workload is forced to increase because of it. I understood this to have been resolved some years ago, but that doesn't mean the problem can't come back up again in specific designs.

As a note: MSI has been known for low end manufacturing. They used to have a very high failure rate on motherboards. I've no idea if this has changed much over the years, as I just got to the point I refused to use them in system builds. If they still have internal quality control issues, it wouldn't surprise me if there were some sort of manufacture or design problem.

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Re: Did devs intentionally made so the game runs on only int

Postby Ardennesss » Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:29 pm

FYI, default path on windows 10 for Java is not "C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.8.0_122\bin\" for some reason Windows 10 comes with a default java installation that your system environmental variables will point to. On my system for example it's located at "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Oracle\Java\javapath_target_28800875"

Try seeing if you have java files located there and also adding those to Nvidia, this is an issue I had to help multiple people solve when trying to switch from 32 bit to 64 bit Java installations. Also, I've only seen this error message when trying to run using 32 bit Java so you might also need to upgrade and change your Path variable.
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Re: Did devs intentionally made so the game runs on only int

Postby ctopolon4 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:07 pm

just set "ALL" use Nvidia if you cant set it for java in control panel
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