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rfxDarth
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A guy walked right through visitor gate and stole my stuff
So, I was being an idiot, and some guy threw a spear at me through the opened visitor gates and knocked me out. I was thinking that, being well behind the gate, I was in safe. But he just walked right in and stole my equipment. The claim was on my alt who's not kinned to the guy and all checkboxes for whites un-ticked. How is this possible? I thought visitor gates put a debuff on you that prevents any kinds of crime? WTF?
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SnuggleSnail
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Re: A guy walked right through visitor gate and stole my stu
first tsack forage of the world baybeeee
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linkfanpc
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Re: A guy walked right through visitor gate and stole my stu
1: You can shoot through visitor gates and KO/kill people and it's not a crime.
2: You can loot bodies with visitor debuff and it's not a crime.
Bug/bad game design, should be fixed but who knows. Sorry.
2: You can loot bodies with visitor debuff and it's not a crime.
Bug/bad game design, should be fixed but who knows. Sorry.
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Audiosmurf
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Re: A guy walked right through visitor gate and stole my stu
*hands u your actionable death threat submission form and envelope*
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rfxDarth
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Re: A guy walked right through visitor gate and stole my stu
Have fun with it. Could've just traded the spear for it without throwing it into my face, though.SnuggleSnail wrote:first tsack forage of the world baybeeee
1. You sure about that? A crime's a crime, it shouldn't be any different whether it's melee or ranged, through gate or not.linkfanpc wrote:1: You can shoot through visitor gates and KO/kill people and it's not a crime.
2: You can loot bodies with visitor debuff and it's not a crime.
Bug/bad game design, should be fixed but who knows. Sorry.
2. That sucks. I can't comprehend any possible logic behind this, so it must be a bug.
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linkfanpc
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Re: A guy walked right through visitor gate and stole my stu
By "not a crime" i meant it still leaves a scent but it's "not a crime" to the claim, it doesn't care one way or another and acts like there's no claim involved at all. sorry.rfxDarth wrote:Have fun with it. Could've just traded the spear for it without throwing it into my face, though.SnuggleSnail wrote:first tsack forage of the world baybeeee
1. You sure about that? A crime's a crime, it shouldn't be any different whether it's melee or ranged, through gate or not.linkfanpc wrote:1: You can shoot through visitor gates and KO/kill people and it's not a crime.
2: You can loot bodies with visitor debuff and it's not a crime.
Bug/bad game design, should be fixed but who knows. Sorry.
2. That sucks. I can't comprehend any possible logic behind this, so it must be a bug.
jorb wrote:Hitting a "Ghejejiiwlonk" with your "Umappawoozle" for eightyfifteen points of "Sharmakookel", simply makes no sense.
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Archipenos wrote:Irl if someone kills me, if I want to burn their house down, nothing but fear of the law or reprisal or my own moral compass stops me.
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telum12
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Re: A guy walked right through visitor gate and stole my stu
rfxDarth wrote:Have fun with it. Could've just traded the spear for it without throwing it into my face, though.SnuggleSnail wrote:first tsack forage of the world baybeeee
1. You sure about that? A crime's a crime, it shouldn't be any different whether it's melee or ranged, through gate or not.linkfanpc wrote:1: You can shoot through visitor gates and KO/kill people and it's not a crime.
2: You can loot bodies with visitor debuff and it's not a crime.
Bug/bad game design, should be fixed but who knows. Sorry.
2. That sucks. I can't comprehend any possible logic behind this, so it must be a bug.
You misunderstand how visitor buff works
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DE6497
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Re: A guy walked right through visitor gate and stole my stu
Care to elaborate? I haven't found any references to this neither on RoB nor wiki nor with a quick forum search. What part of it should I re-read to understand why would a visitor debuff prevent stealing, but not looting a corpse?telum12 wrote:You misunderstand how visitor buff works
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vatas
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Re: A guy walked right through visitor gate and stole my stu
I read through this thread and to me, sounds like the problem is:
As far as the game rules / Hearthlaw is considered, no crime against the CLAIM has been committed. It was a crime to loot a body, but the crime was committed against the person being looted, not the claim.
Similar thing previously allowed people to bash other people's Hearth Fires while under Visitor status, because game only checked they were only committing crime against the Hearth Fire itself, as they have innate crime protection against anyone (excluding the owner) even when unclaimed.
Also, if you made the mistake of parking your character near visitor gate in a suitable angle, you could be aggro'd through the gate and beaten to death. This was only fixed indirectly when Visitor Gates were changed to be impassable while in combat.
As far as the game rules / Hearthlaw is considered, no crime against the CLAIM has been committed. It was a crime to loot a body, but the crime was committed against the person being looted, not the claim.
Similar thing previously allowed people to bash other people's Hearth Fires while under Visitor status, because game only checked they were only committing crime against the Hearth Fire itself, as they have innate crime protection against anyone (excluding the owner) even when unclaimed.
Also, if you made the mistake of parking your character near visitor gate in a suitable angle, you could be aggro'd through the gate and beaten to death. This was only fixed indirectly when Visitor Gates were changed to be impassable while in combat.
Haven and Hearth Wiki (Maintained by volunteers - test/verify when practical. Forum thread
Basic Claim Safety (And what you’re doing wrong
TL:;DR: Build a Palisade with only Visitor gates.)
Combat Guide (Overview, PVE, PVP) (Includes how to escape/minimize risk of getting killed.)
Basic Claim Safety (And what you’re doing wrong
TL:;DR: Build a Palisade with only Visitor gates.)
Combat Guide (Overview, PVE, PVP) (Includes how to escape/minimize risk of getting killed.)
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rfxDarth
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Re: A guy walked right through visitor gate and stole my stu
So, chances are, tents and leantos could also be affected by this?vatas wrote:I read through this thread and to me, sounds like the problem is:
As far as the game rules / Hearthlaw is considered, no crime against the CLAIM has been committed. It was a crime to loot a body, but the crime was committed against the person being looted, not the claim.
Similar thing previously allowed people to bash other people's Hearth Fires while under Visitor status, because game only checked they were only committing crime against the Hearth Fire itself, as they have innate crime protection against anyone (excluding the owner) even when unclaimed.
Also, if you made the mistake of parking your character near visitor gate in a suitable angle, you could be aggro'd through the gate and beaten to death. This was only fixed indirectly when Visitor Gates were changed to be impassable while in combat.