Bots, lets talk about them.

[Shrapnelx]

Due to a recent thread that brought this issue to the spotlight, id like to throw my thoughts into this never-ending debate.

I dont see bots as a problem to be honest, i dont use them in Haven personally, but i see why some people do. Dedicating hours of your day to simply feed your cows is very frustrating, and some people who enjoy Haven for other aspects simply dont have that much time to spare. You can argue that people who dont have that much time shouldn't play Haven, but thats a whole different argument.

Ill bring to the table an example of Devs vs Botters, Runescape. Jagex has been fighting bots for years now, they have a huge dev team with its own department dedicated to combat botting, and they STILL haven't found a cure-all solution. Most of the major botting groups have been locked down and their users banned within hours of using the scripts, but there are still some really advanced bots who use some tricky methods to hide themselves and prevent reverse engineering, and even today i still see bots with 90+ level in a skill, thats equivalent to days/weeks worth of botting, and they continue to bot daily with no bans.

The best way to combat bots isnt wasting Dev time trying to find a way to detect and counter them, we see above that its a waste of time and will never be fully resolved, Its to find a reasonable in-game solution to what these bots are trying to accomplish, so people have less incentive to bot in the first place.. automation.

Balanced automation of very repetitive tasks such as farming would be the best course of action, set a high threshold to achieve that goal, maybe some crude form of Combine, like a cross between a wagon and plow. You hitch 2 bulls to it and pull it across your fields and it harvests rows at a time. Maybe a more advanced version that requires steel and other top tier mats to build that works a bit faster, and maybe even replants them.

If ingame automation isnt a route J&L want to go, then dont bother trying to combat bots, you'll end up sinking way to many hours into a tug-of-war that will never end.

Let the discussion begin. And please, keep the argument civil.

[shubla]

I don't like bots.
Answer to preventing bots is not to give enalty for using them.
Instead solve reasons why people use them.
(Very boring lot of time taking tasks like farming that needs to be done frequently)

[Shrapnelx]

I don't like bots.
Answer to preventing bots is not to give enalty for using them.
Instead solve reasons why people use them.
(Very boring lot of time taking tasks like farming that needs to be done frequently)

That is a short version of what i just said, but i think i see what your trying to say.

Change farming instead of adding something to make it easier?

[shubla]

I don't like bots.
Answer to preventing bots is not to give enalty for using them.
Instead solve reasons why people use them.
(Very boring lot of time taking tasks like farming that needs to be done frequently)

That is a short version of what i just said, but i think i see what your trying to say.

Change farming instead of adding something to make it easier?

I didnt read your post to be honest.
But grindy tasks like farming/etc. should indeed be changed totally.

[jorb]

I didnt read your post to be honest.
But grindy tasks like farming/etc. should indeed be changed totally.

To what?

[shubla]

I didnt read your post to be honest.
But grindy tasks like farming/etc. should indeed be changed totally.

To what?

That is excellent question.
Add way to farm without it taking so much time/clicking to replant/plant.

[Shrapnelx]

Add way to farm without it taking so much time/clicking to replant/plant.

... maybe some crude form of Combine, like a cross between a wagon and plow. You hitch 2 bulls to it and pull it across your fields and it harvests rows at a time. ...

Maybe you should read the first post next time?

[CSPAN]

My crops always have variations by 1 quality in one ore maybe two different qualities. I still need to sort through and use the better of the bunch, this worlds farming is a step up from old haven by far, but it still takes me forever to farm. Pumpkins are literally hell, but are the dopest fodder. Pls help

[Redlaw]

I enjoy farming, its better then it was, ya it takes me what 2 hours to do all of them. I but its a part of the game. Realy though it feels like the people that do pay into the game bot the most. Since why try and enjoy something simple, when you can race to be ahead?

I never boted, I plain to never bot. I use one account, with a small limit on hours a week. I make do and enjoy (most of the time I hate leaving a project half done).

[jorb]

Add way to farm without it taking so much time/clicking to replant/plant.

I'm not really disagreeing, but might we not kind of just as well let people conjure crop produce out of thin air, in that case, though? That's the extreme case of that idea.