Things that aren't fun in Haven

[Sprinkle]

Please feel free to add your own, here are mine.

• Out of season quests, please remove all of them.
• Quests requiring you to study something, I understand you want time gating but this is not fun at all, and further it doesn't even take into account if you've already been timegated already in any possible way, imagine abandoning a quest 10 times, studying an item 10 times and still getting time gated to study an item yet again. To improve this even slightly I suggest no study item quests if you are on a previous step in your credo(from abandoning a quest).
• Worrying about what FEPs I'm eating(just to get energy), makes me go insane so 90% of the time I just ignore FEPs.
• Needing 10 cloth to start trading, why? What purpose does this serve?
• Needing an alt to protect keys, why? You know everyone does it and its a waste of time having to make a beacon and spawn an alt to do it every world.
• Needing an alt or village for bonfire feasts. It's tedious to bother with and gives others an unfair advantage that are masochistic.
• Digging (to flatten) is the least fun thing in this entire game and desparately needs to become easier than it already is, it takes way to long and even with a 100QL metal shovel it would STILL be to boring. Compare it to a game like minecraft where digging is actually fun to see what I mean! I'd actually have more fun digging in real life compared to digging in haven and hearth.. I'm not even exaggerating.
• Running out of trees nearby depending where you settle, yes you can replant but it takes to long to regrow to make it fun in the interim, imagine walking 10-20 or more minutes to get to trees, how is this fun?
• Anything requiring things found in a swamp being picked clean depending where you settle. This is a critical flaw, especially as candleberries are needed for early game progression like mineholes, and waiting for bees wax takes even longer and is even less fun.
• Bat capes being armor, meaning they can be destroyed, is highly annoying. And there is literally no alternative at any point in the game to make bats not aggressive, it has to be a bat cape and only a bat cape, meaning this unfun and annoying issue will never go away.
• "+1 local rabbit quality" type of quest rewards, need to go.
• Looking for copper on floor 2 every day and never finding any, even prospecting and never finding any(others have posted about this issue).

[linkfanpc]

Hey bro i agree with most of this but

[*]Worrying about what FEPs I'm eating, makes me go insane so 90% of the time I just ignore FEPs.

Lol what? So you just don't progress your character???? And what is your suggestion? Remove stats?

Compare it to a game like minecraft where digging is actually fun to see what I mean!

Like do you want to make the game voxel?

Running out of trees nearby depending where you settle, yes you can replant but it takes to long to regrow to make it fun in the interim, imagine walking 10-20 or more minutes to get to trees, how is this fun?

This has never happened to me, trees are extremely plentiful. Are you in the middle of a massive grassland? Again, what are you suggesting? Double the amount of trees? Or make trees give 3x the materials? You'd either ruin the world or the economy.

This is a critical flaw, especially as candleberries are needed for progression.

what

Needing to kill deer to start a village, why? Pointless.

w h a t

[Sprinkle]

Lol what? So you just don't progress your character???? And what is your suggestion? Remove stats?

I don't know the solution, all I'm saying is its NOT fun!

Like do you want to make the game voxel?

I don't know the solution, all I'm saying is its NOT fun!

This has never happened to me, trees are extremely plentiful. Are you in the middle of a massive grassland? Again, what are you suggesting? Double the amount of trees? Or make trees give 3x the materials? You'd either ruin the world or the economy.

Wouldn't you agree that if it DID happen to you that it wouldn't be fun to deal with?

what

What?

w h a t

W H A T ?

[linkfanpc]

"this is bad"

"well how should we fix it?"

"idk"

You understand that's the definition of the worst possible feedback you could give other than maybe screaming ad-hominems (but at least that would be funny) right?

Also

This is a critical flaw, especially as candleberries are needed for progression.

They're not. Wait for beeswax.

Needing to kill deer to start a village, why? Pointless.

You don't.

[Sprinkle]

They're not. Wait for beeswax.

It's not fun waiting for bees wax, I'm aware of bees wax. If candleberries didn't exist I would have posted that waiting for bees wax is not fun.

[Sprinkle]

"well how should we fix it?"

Ok then, well I think that a way to get energy(something that is critical to playing the game), needs to be in place without giving FEPs, so then when you don't want to worry about which FEP you ate, you don't have to.

As for digging, I would say increase the dirt piles to hold 1000 dirt, and make it so you can dig up 25 dirt at a time, and that digging takes no stamina, that would make it less annoying as a start. I'm assuming the masochists may hate this idea though, but there really is no competition for flattening land so again pointless tedium. As it is right now, they are trying to make digging like it might be in real life while making it even less fun than it would be in real life, but realism with digging is not fun, that's why in every other game it's nothing like it would be in real life in regards to how long it takes.

[linkfanpc]

They're not. Wait for beeswax.

It's not fun waiting for bees wax, I'm aware of bees wax. If candleberries didn't exist I would have posted that waiting for bees wax is not fun.

If your chief complaints are seriously "waiting isn't fun"/"thinking isn't fun" then you're simply playing the wrong game my friend.

Also still seriously confused by

[*]Worrying about what FEPs I'm eating, makes me go insane so 90% of the time I just ignore FEPs.

and

Needing to kill deer to start a village, why? Pointless.

Do you not eat food? Are you playing the game with 15 intelligence?? Why did you think it took deers to start a village????

[Zampfeo]

If this game were fun, then that would mean normies would play it.

[Sprinkle]

They're not. Wait for beeswax.

It's not fun waiting for bees wax, I'm aware of bees wax. If candleberries didn't exist I would have posted that waiting for bees wax is not fun.

If your chief complaints are seriously "waiting isn't fun"/"thinking isn't fun" then you're simply playing the wrong game my friend.

Also still seriously confused by

[*]Worrying about what FEPs I'm eating, makes me go insane so 90% of the time I just ignore FEPs.

and

Needing to kill deer to start a village, why? Pointless.

Do you not eat food? Are you playing the game with 15 intelligence?? Why did you think it took deers to start a village????

Waiting is ok with certain things, like growing plants, drying racks etc, but waiting to get wax for critical things like mineholes is NOT fun!

You can't quote something I never said. I never said "thinking isn't fun". Thats like me quoting you saying "I failed the first grade".
And if you think that people who failed the first grade can play this game? Think again friend.

Worrying about what food to eat doesn't mean thinking isn't fun, it means needing to run around and gather all kinds of specific crap to get energy back is not fun.

Also quoting something which was already deleted from my post I'm not going to bother responding to.

[Mashadar]

I mean, some of the things are true and really not that fun, but others are just plain dumb...
Even if I'm generous and assume you did not know trees had any uses, alarm bells should have gone off in your head when you built your first wicker basket and realized it needed tree products, which should have prompted you to resettle somewhere where you don't have to walk 20 minutes to the nearest tree.