Why are players leaving

[Gurni]

Hello. We started playing with my wife together, we really liked everything in the game, until today, some villain, taking advantage of my wife's kindness, under the pretext of salvation, did not get into our territory and killed our characters. This completely alienated us from the desire for further play. I really didn't understand why there was so little online in such an amazing game, but today I understood. A high-level player broke in to us, two low-level characters, and just killed us. I just don't understand how such a thing could be allowed during development. we didn't attack anyone, we were taming animals and gardening, and someone found it interesting to kill our people. so he learns, either large enclaves or elders of the game can play the game calmly. singles and beginners have nothing to do in this game. I am very upset that such an amazing game repels new gamers because of the possibility of killing innocent characters. thank you for these three weeks of amazing gameplay, but I will never come back here in the future and I think we are not the only players who leave the game for the same reason. it was nice for me to play, but it's good that I didn't have time to start paying developers otherwise it would have been a stupid investment. have a nice day. good luck to everyone in the game.

[Zentetsuken]

The game does a terrible job of explaining its true nature to new players and it is really a wonder to me how any new players find it in the first place.

Your tale is one told over and over again hundreds of times but the devs do not care. Their vision for the game is based on decade old principles and visions that no longer cater to a modern gaming audience, but instead offer a sandbox for a tiny group of nostalgia-driven veterans of this pvp/loot/grief genre.

Quitting the game and not returning is the only meaningful message you can send, the devs have heard every other argument 100 times over but despite knowing the game is fundamentally broken they refuse to even test potential solutions.

There are dozens of other games out there, many already completed and many in the works that have less toxic communities and offer more comfortable and less stressful gaming experiences.

Consider yourself lucky for having limited experience with the game. You will find a new home in a new game community soon and not remain stuck in the endless nostalgia driven abusive relationship that the rest of us remain here for.

Godspeed, brother.

[Sephiron]

Hey Gurni, this game is not easy. It is very specific on that it is a full-loot PVP game. Just like in real life, you cannot trust all strangers to enter your home, especially if they look like they're capable of killing you. Once they get past your walls, you are quite literally at their mercy.

But, it's not over unless you really want it to be. You can remake your character and inherit some of his ancestor's stats which would give you a little bit of a boost to get started again. As your progress in the game, you unlock even more opportunities to preserve your stats, and eventually dying outside of your walls turns into a minor inconvenience. But yeah, never let anyone past your palisade unless you trust them. It's only common sense. Make sure all of your gates and houses are locked, keep the master key inside, only leave your base with a slave key (Can only open a gate to leave, can't open it from the other side) and you would be almost invulnerable from other players. That's pretty much all that us older players do to stay safe.

And yeah, the player count drops every world. Eventually it settles around 100-200 players at a time (about a year and a half) and then the world gets reset, and then there's suddenly 1400 players again. I don't think most people quit because they get killed, I think they quit because they get bored and want to wait for the next world reset.

Also Zentetsuken, if you don't like the game then don't play it lol. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. Why would you try to drive people away from something you enjoy?

[Blueberry]

i'm sorry you had a bad experience. this style of gameplay is certainly not for most people. i hope you find another game you and your wife can enjoy together.

[lordgrunt]

above (massa's) preety much describes community's average attitude. ppl in this game are assholes because devs actively ecnourage it. Zentetsuken preety much described it all, and in fact I encourage you to try again, even if it means moving away from badlands you found yourselves in. the stage you were in is probably the most magical moment this game offers, exploration on unknown, building up your industry. next steps will be harder, quality grind, livestock care and farm upkeep can bore you down, but its rewarding in its own way.
There is no way around mighty tanks walking about and smashin claims, palisades and undeveloped players. Its the rule of the game: "you can do anything", sandbox idea brought to life in its purest. That means ppl have the right to take land, others have right to deny you that. you have right to harvest and forage but others can and prob will kill you if they spot you because they can. This is where this game went wrong, encouraging this sort of behaviour. Some will find it a self-empowering moment when they kill weak srpucecaps, some can actually have a mind of their own and maybe decide those weak hermits can in fact help them our in the future, when they get more established. Via trade of some goods, or even exploration of decent localized resources.
Anyway, godspeed.

[springyb]

Why would you try to drive people away from something you enjoy?

Because lying about the game just to retain players who have misinterpreted the genre is absolutely retarded. If losing a character in Haven and Hearth is enough to make you quit then you shouldn't be playing Haven and Hearth because it's not a game you will enjoy longterm. Even the man who has goatse'd us for 12 years understands this.

[Sephiron]

Why would you try to drive people away from something you enjoy?

Because lying about the game just to retain players who have misinterpreted the genre is absolutely retarded. If losing a character in Haven and Hearth is enough to make you quit then you shouldn't be playing Haven and Hearth because it's not a game you will enjoy longterm. Even the man who has goatse'd us for 12 years understands this.

Who is lying? PVP in this game is intentional, but even still there are actually too many ways to secure your claim. It is actually not hard at all anymore unless you're looking for trouble, the protection is overbearing to a point. If you want to sit around your claim and farm until the world ends you can. Lordgrunt's take is actually more true to the game. "Oh people kill each other and the devs don't give a shit about the game, you should quit to prove a point, only veterans can play the way they want to, etc". That's fucking lying. We know that the devs don't care about retaining thousands of players, we know that PVP is a necessary part of the game, and we know that unless you're in a murderous rage or you're already half dead you just get knocked out from an assault. As if a dry palisade, fully charged pclaim, and all the claim boosts in the world aren't enough to keep a random hermit from getting fucked. These are all valid solutions to the topic at hand. Instead of trying to convince new players to leave, maybe you should teach them how to play the game???

I just don't understand what was 'Broken' in this situation. The dude's wife let some stranger onto their claim and got robbed/murdered. The only thing that's fucked up is the lack of a tutorial.

[Reiber]

Their vision for the game is based on decade old principles and visions that no longer cater to a modern gaming audience,

wich is an good thing, have you seen games that cater to " an modern gaming audience" ? there garbage, the games aswell as the audience.

[springyb]

Why would you try to drive people away from something you enjoy?

Because lying about the game just to retain players who have misinterpreted the genre is absolutely retarded. If losing a character in Haven and Hearth is enough to make you quit then you shouldn't be playing Haven and Hearth because it's not a game you will enjoy longterm. Even the man who has goatse'd us for 12 years understands this.

Who is lying? PVP in this game is intentional, but even still there are actually too many ways to secure your claim. It is actually not hard at all anymore unless you're looking for trouble, the protection is overbearing to a point. If you want to sit around your claim and farm until the world ends you can. Lordgrunt's take is actually more true to the game. "Oh people kill each other and the devs don't give a shit about the game, you should quit to prove a point, only veterans can play the way they want to, etc". That's fucking lying. We know that the devs don't care about retaining thousands of players, we know that PVP is a necessary part of the game, and we know that unless you're in a murderous rage or you're already half dead you just get knocked out from an assault. As if a dry palisade, fully charged pclaim, and all the claim boosts in the world aren't enough to keep a random hermit from getting fucked. These are all valid solutions to the topic at hand. Instead of trying to convince new players to leave, maybe you should teach them how to play the game???

I just don't understand what was 'Broken' in this situation. The dude's wife let some stranger onto their claim and got robbed/murdered. The only thing that's fucked up is the lack of a tutorial.

Are you having a stroke?

[Liss12]

Top dogs killing newbies for shits and giggles is an issue that has to be adressed long ago. Its is clearly harmful to the playerbase but i guess thats jorb's bizarre vision of the game.