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Re: Custom village banners

Postby shubla » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:10 am

jorb wrote:
Orcling wrote:So you're saying Nazi flags would be alright? Just the other stuff wouldnt be?
I'm fine with that.


Well, idk. I'm a bit torn on the matter. National Socialism is an objective evil, but If we go by head count and general philosophy of life then there is certainly no worse or more satanic ideology than socialism/liberalism (same thing), so arguably the hammer & sickle, along with the French tricolor, and most certainly the five-pointed star, should all be banned for being offensive to the sensibilities of decent people everywhere. On the other hand, though, we all live in a vast communist empire of lies/Oceania, and so communism does enjoy cultural sanction and is generally considered house-broken and "ok", whereas national socialism is not, what with the victors writing history and all that. The United States for its part enjoys the singular distinction of being the only country in the world to ever have used atomic weapons against innocent civilians -- a fairly dickish move we can all agree -- so there's certainly a good case to be made for disallowing the old red-white-and-blue/pentagram-spangled-banner/bald-headed vulture. If you really want to go down that road we should all, for that matter, recall Sherman's March to the sea and the rape of Georgia so down with the Union and up with the stars and bars. I personally have a strong distaste for America's recent little puppet caliphate in the near east, so their little chicken-scratch shit-rag I personally wouldn't want to see in game.

Point perhaps being that the various satanic ideologies of the modern world generally speaking all disgust me -- a gentleman, traditionalist, monarchist, complete reactionary, and warm friend of l'Ancien Régime -- fairly equally, and that I honestly fail to quite see why I should be playing favorites among them. Since this is a differentiated and educated standpoint that I do not expect brainwashed plebs and raised on the 24-7 propaganda of the aforementioned empire of lies to be able to take in, however, it might just be easier for me to simply go with the flow and, completely hypocritically, keep my politics to myself, and simply reinforce the dominant cultural narrative/decorum, which, indeed, allows for communism but not fascism. This certainly carries the least risk of me getting into trouble and shit-storms.

So there's that.

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Re: Custom village banners

Postby Orcling » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:19 am

jorb wrote:
Orcling wrote:So you're saying Nazi flags would be alright? Just the other stuff wouldnt be?
I'm fine with that.


Well, idk. I'm a bit torn on the matter. National Socialism is an objective evil, but If we go by head count and general philosophy of life then there is certainly no worse or more satanic ideology than socialism/liberalism (same thing), so arguably the hammer & sickle, along with the French tricolor, and most certainly the five-pointed star, should all be banned for being offensive to the sensibilities of decent people everywhere. On the other hand, though, we all live in a vast communist empire of lies/Oceania, and so communism does enjoy cultural sanction and is generally considered house-broken and "ok", whereas national socialism is not, what with the victors writing history and all that. The United States for its part enjoys the singular distinction of being the only country in the world to ever have used atomic weapons against innocent civilians -- a fairly dickish move we can all agree -- so there's certainly a good case to be made for disallowing the old red-white-and-blue/pentagram-spangled-banner/bald-headed vulture. If you really want to go down that road we should all, for that matter, recall Sherman's March to the sea and the rape of Georgia so down with the Union and up with the stars and bars. I personally have a strong distaste for America's recent little puppet caliphate in the near east, so their little chicken-scratch shit-rag I personally wouldn't want to see in game.

Point perhaps being that the various satanic ideologies of the modern world generally speaking all disgust me -- a gentleman, traditionalist, monarchist, complete reactionary, and warm friend of l'Ancien Régime -- fairly equally, and that I honestly fail to quite see why I should be playing favorites among them. Since this is a differentiated and educated standpoint that I do not expect brainwashed plebs and raised on the 24-7 propaganda of the aforementioned empire of lies to be able to take in, however, it might just be easier for me to simply go with the flow and, completely hypocritically, keep my politics to myself, and simply reinforce the dominant cultural narrative/decorum, which, indeed, allows for communism but not fascism. This certainly carries the least risk of me getting into trouble and shit-storms.

So there's that.


So is that a yes or no? It sounds like a bit of both.
Plus, you'll get shit storms either way, no matter what you do.

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Re: Custom village banners

Postby spectacle » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:22 am

There's also the issue that wherever you go you will be greeted by banners with trollfaces, lolcats, hastags and other "funny" memes that are not offensive but still look like crap, are completely out of place and make the game look objectively worse.
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Re: Custom village banners

Postby jorb » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:32 am

Aye. One solution could perhaps be to publish all uploaded images in a vetted gallery, or somesuch, and require uploads to be worthy and decent, or w/e. It's a bit of a conundrum for me how to handle that optimally.
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Re: Custom village banners

Postby Granger » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:34 am

I think it would be better to have you prepare a wider selection of banner graphics (which are able to be colored distintively to widen the selection) and let users reserve a certain combination for € through the shop, resulting in 'seeing that banner means that someone really must have built it, noone else'.

PS: letting people upload their own bitmaps is a can of worms that you imho should better left closed.
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Re: Custom village banners

Postby Orcling » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:48 am

Granger wrote:I think it would be better to have you prepare a wider selection of banner graphics



But if jorb designs/picks the avaiable banners they'll all look like shit.
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Re: Custom village banners

Postby Avu » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:51 am

I dunno an upload for cash thing should be profitable. If you don't follow decency and larping (no fourth wall breaking stuff) rules no money back.
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Re: Custom village banners

Postby simimi » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:53 am

The pictures could be stored in a place where only the mods of this forum have acces.
Villages could make a topic with there picture, if mods find it OK, they load it in the site and give code that can put this picture on baner in game.
Later, if some trouble occure, they could just replace the link to the code to an "hello kitty" picture.
And for the Nazi flags stuf, beside philosophy, do you realy want to see in the medias "What is H&H ? this (img) Nazi flags (/img)" ?
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Re: Custom village banners

Postby Orcling » Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:07 pm

simimi wrote:And for the Nazi flags stuf, beside philosophy, do you realy want to see in the medias "What is H&H ? this (img) Nazi flags (/img)" ?


Yes, that would please me greatly.
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Re: Custom village banners

Postby Undefined » Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:18 pm

Just allow hand customization of a grid of pixels, say 50x50, even limited to black or white. Enough space for a village to design their own unique iconography which could then be simply programatically rendered onto announcements, banners or whatever rather than some horrible complicated and policed image upload and rendering solution.
Sure we'd end up with a bunch of pixel dicks, but which village could design the BEST pixel dick?
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