Raiding and murder of newbs for lols

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Re: Raiding and murder of newbs for lols

Postby jk123 » Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:32 pm

barra wrote:If you want to protect bambis from bandits, step up and do it. Find the murderers and raid them back. You have access to exactly the same pvp mechanics the raiders have.


You're missing my point, I am not advocating for some newb defender. A new player coming into the game now, even in an ideal scenario where he joins an established group with access to high Q gear and curios, is MONTHS behind in the stats grind and can never be as good as anyone else.

Killing them before they can even compete seems a waste when you could fight them when they are older and have better loot.

Maybe new players could get a stats boost buff that lasts for 2 weeks or something, the quest system will help too especially if it gives decent LP rewards. Sure the boosting would be used to quickly stat up alts, but at least the playing field is a bit more level. Kinda like eve-online does (another mmo with harsh death penalties).
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Re: Raiding and murder of newbs for lols

Postby MightySheep » Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:43 pm

You sound like a greenpeace activist trying to convince us to save the whale, I think youll find its an equally wasted effort
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Re: Raiding and murder of newbs for lols

Postby shubla » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:21 pm

jk123 wrote:
MightySheep wrote:
jk123 wrote:If you kill all the newbs, you are killing your own content, you are killing the game.

Why do people keep repeating this argument, like anyone actually gives a crap?


You will give a crap when there are no more players.

Im waiting.. :D
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Re: Raiding and murder of newbs for lols

Postby Patchouli_Knowledge » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:58 pm

jk123 wrote:
MightySheep wrote:
jk123 wrote:If you kill all the newbs, you are killing your own content, you are killing the game.

Why do people keep repeating this argument, like anyone actually gives a crap?


You will give a crap when there are no more players.


They still will be apathetic. If the game dies, they will just move into another game. At least the ones that truly doesn't care about the state of the game.

There has been several suggestion on how to keep those people safe but something to keep in mind is beyond the "safe" level or zone, sharks are circling around the area. There will always been those griefer archetypes in the game, not just haven but every game, and there isn't a reliable mechanic to discourage this.
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Re: Raiding and murder of newbs for lols

Postby TeckXKnight » Sun Dec 20, 2015 8:38 pm

Moved to C&I because this has nothing to do with village politics.
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Re: Raiding and murder of newbs for lols

Postby LadyGoo » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:19 pm

barra wrote:If you want to protect bambis from bandits, step up and do it. Find the murderers and raid them back. You have access to exactly the same pvp mechanics the raiders have.
If raiders could raid each other, they would not be interested in noobs.
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Re: Raiding and murder of newbs for lols

Postby shubla » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:39 pm

LadyGoo wrote:
barra wrote:If you want to protect bambis from bandits, step up and do it. Find the murderers and raid them back. You have access to exactly the same pvp mechanics the raiders have.
If raiders could raid each other, they would not be interested in noobs.

This exactly.
Would the game be more fun if raids of major factions would be regular.
It seems like they wont get raided at any time in world. Because its damn hard to do it with battering ram. Keyloggers and spies are pretty much only way.
We shall hope that new siege system encourages pro players to stop raiding noobs and focus on each other instead.
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Re: Raiding and murder of newbs for lols

Postby overtyped » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:36 am

shubla wrote:
LadyGoo wrote:
barra wrote:If you want to protect bambis from bandits, step up and do it. Find the murderers and raid them back. You have access to exactly the same pvp mechanics the raiders have.
If raiders could raid each other, they would not be interested in noobs.

This exactly.
Would the game be more fun if raids of major factions would be regular.
It seems like they wont get raided at any time in world. Because its damn hard to do it with battering ram. Keyloggers and spies are pretty much only way.
We shall hope that new siege system encourages pro players to stop raiding noobs and focus on each other instead.

If someone wants to attack noobs, nothing it going to stop Dole.. Err i mean, "them"
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Re: Raiding and murder of newbs for lols

Postby Tonkyhonk » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:19 am

raiders are called raiders because they *raid* the weaker and fight when they know they can win. they sit inside walls when they cant.
most likely new systems wouldnt change that either. and yet again players are supporting raider projects. so nothing is gonna change.
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Re: Raiding and murder of newbs for lols

Postby sabinati » Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:01 pm

Tonkyhonk wrote:raiders ... fight when they know they can win. they sit inside walls when they cant.


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