Realms spread like an plague

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Re: Realms spread like an plague

Postby Reiber » Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:30 pm

yea, even though i am only benefitting from it should there be buffs from it, and i dont lose any of the exp i am taxed on, i severely dislike how your province being claimed is just an process you dont have any influence or say in, this hasnt changed from before thingwalls, villages and inhabitants dont need too be subjugated, or brought intoo the fold or something. they are just collateral expfarms , eventually fueling the kindoms of the people that pose the biggest threath to them. with the only way of evading that, to join an realmbuilding faction, or never to log in again. there is no wild or disbuted territory, rebellions, neutral ground ,or hermitages there are just provinces part of an kingdom and provinces that will eventually be made part of an kingdom.

if the exptax is the reward for the realm. you should have too conquer people. not set up an shitty flag at the "fuck distance trees"
as soon as realmstage nonrealm people are just inconsequential. its not like the tax would accomplish the only thing it was set out too do: disentivising you too regulary cull the population in your own realm .
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Re: Realms spread like an plague

Postby sMartins » Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:36 pm

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Re: Realms spread like an plague

Postby Sevenless » Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:48 pm

Reiber wrote:yea, even though i am only benefitting from it should there be buffs from it, and i dont lose any of the exp i am taxed on, i severely dislike how your province being claimed is just an process you dont have any influence or say in, this hasnt changed from before thingwalls, villages and inhabitants dont need too be subjugated, or brought intoo the fold or something. they are just collateral expfarms , eventually fueling the kindoms of the people that pose the biggest threath to them. with the only way of evading that, to join an realmbuilding faction, or never to log in again. there is no wild or disbuted territory, rebellions, neutral ground ,or hermitages there are just provinces part of an kingdom and provinces that will eventually be made part of an kingdom.

if the exptax is the reward for the realm. you should have too conquer people. not set up an shitty flag at the "fuck distance trees"
as soon as realmstage nonrealm people are just inconsequential. its not like the tax would accomplish the only thing it was set out too do: disentivising you too regulary cull the population in your own realm .


You absolutely had a say in it. You can defend the thingwall during its challenge window and break the warflag.

I'll agree there's no form of rebellion that can happen after you've been conquered though.
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Re: Realms spread like an plague

Postby Massa » Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:59 pm

Reiber wrote:again, realms have just expanded to where they have no business to, overnight huge swaths of land just get appropiated by some faction, no matter if someone of them ever has set foot on an continent or plans too, people arent informed about that, and there is no way to do something against that exept relocating even farther away from civilication, even the caves offer no refuge,

i just renewed my subscription yesterday, logged on today saw"welcome too x " and closed the client again, was an cool world, but same shit every time. even if people here where pvp ready, without making an realm themself, and thus inviting other factions for more war, there is no way to evade being conquered, by someones alt setting up an flag ,

I will personally tax you lmfao where is your sorry ass
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Re: Realms spread like an plague

Postby Reiber » Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:01 pm

You absolutely had a say in it. You can defend the thingwall during its challenge window and break the warflag.

I'll agree there's no form of rebellion that can happen after you've been conquered though.[/quote]

oh really? how long does it dry for? 6hours, you get no warning about nonclaimed provinces being challenged , so i went too sleep an independend villager, and woke up an subject. cause it gets treated as an non issue, wich it kinda is. but shouldnt.

do i have to put an 24/7 scoutalt next too the thingwall, like the people making sure their realmextension out in the hicks dosnt get challenged.
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Re: Realms spread like an plague

Postby Sevenless » Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:10 pm

Reiber wrote:
You absolutely had a say in it. You can defend the thingwall during its challenge window and break the warflag.

I'll agree there's no form of rebellion that can happen after you've been conquered though.


oh really? how long does it dry for? 6hours, you get no warning about nonclaimed provinces being challenged , so i went too sleep an independend villager, and woke up an subject. cause it gets treated as an non issue, wich it kinda is. but shouldnt.

do i have to put an 24/7 scoutalt next too the thingwall, like the people making sure their realmextension out in the hicks dosnt get challenged.


You can check your realm windows by inspecting the TW. The possible challenge period is 8 hours wide. The flag can be placed any time during that, and stands for 2.5 hours before it can be attacked and destroyed in the last 0.5 hours. If the timezone bullshit and timings feel like they suck, it's because they do. The system is painful and requires people to warp their sleep schedules to do it.

But you weren't completely unable to do anything about it. You had as much chance/information to engage in it as the realm owners expanding the claim do.

Anyway, hopefully your overlords won't harass you now that you provide a resource to them, which is I assume the point of the realm system.
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Re: Realms spread like an plague

Postby Clemins » Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:26 pm

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Re: Realms spread like an plague

Postby The_Blode » Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:19 pm

man now i'm never going to hold the world record for "least consequential gripe"
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Re: Realms spread like an plague

Postby Sephiron » Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:10 am

Reiber wrote:yea, even though i am only benefitting from it should there be buffs from it, and i dont lose any of the exp i am taxed on, i severely dislike how your province being claimed is just an process you dont have any influence or say in.

It's not 'your province', the land belongs to the people. bro we had a democratic vote, you didn't show up to the provincial town hall, we voted to be occupied by this realm. don't be a big UKRAINE about it
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Re: Realms spread like an plague

Postby Reiber » Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:21 am

Sephiron wrote:
Reiber wrote:yea, even though i am only benefitting from it should there be buffs from it, and i dont lose any of the exp i am taxed on, i severely dislike how your province being claimed is just an process you dont have any influence or say in.

It's not 'your province', the land belongs to the people. bro we had a democratic vote, you didn't show up to the provincial town hall, we voted to be occupied by this realm. don't be a big UKRAINE about it


wrong game, this is hardcore blood & soil territory here. my acestors(bless them) lay here, and i have made this land bear fruit and be fertile, in the face of my blood and sweat. we´re bound to this territory by inheritance and pride, and it to its inhabitants. bearing foreign flags and kin brings great bad Ju-Ju over us. ¦]
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