Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby loftar » Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:12 pm

VDZ wrote:I cry because with this change sketches (i.e.: further cash payment) would be mandatory to not be at a disadvantage

I'm sorry if I missed it in your wall of text, but I didn't see what makes them mandatory. The change was intended as an innocuous convenience thing which shouldn't harm those who just choose to use more numerous non-extended containers instead. I'm not sure I'm seeing why one would be winning more by having 7x9 large chests.
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby Fostik » Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:22 pm

I think it's more of a convenience rather than p2w
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby VDZ » Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:29 pm

loftar wrote:
VDZ wrote:I cry because with this change sketches (i.e.: further cash payment) would be mandatory to not be at a disadvantage

I'm sorry if I missed it in your wall of text, but I didn't see what makes them mandatory. The change was intended as an innocuous convenience thing which shouldn't harm those who just choose to use more numerous non-extended containers instead. I'm not sure I'm seeing why one would be winning more by having 7x9 large chests.

There are various uses where this is relevant. Take for example boat trips (pre-snekkja or when traveling over land is needed): without investing I am limited to 72 + inventory size slots per trip (assuming two wooden chests), or 36 + inventory size slots per trip if I want a decent boat carry speed over land (1 wooden chest). By spending $2.40/$1.20, I instead get 98 + inventory size slots (slow carry) or 49 + inventory size slots (fast carry) per trip, allowing me to gather stuff much more efficiently.

Another example is transporting goods via carts. 6 wooden chests give 216 slots total (+ inventory, and if you don't mind walking slowly you can add another 36 by lifting). Spend $7.20, and you get to carry 294 slots (+ inventory, and another 49 when paying $1.20 more and lifting), which is much more efficient.

I consider the portable container upgrades (going from crate to wooden chest to large chest) to be some of the more significant progress milestones. This change doesn't directly affect PvP or other player interactions (except soon encouraging 'chest or die' I guess), but it allows someone to progress faster, similar to the extra inventory slots from verification and subscription.
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby Keiriku » Sat Oct 07, 2023 9:07 pm

Keep up the good work!

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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby Sevenless » Sat Oct 07, 2023 9:31 pm

loftar wrote:
VDZ wrote:I cry because with this change sketches (i.e.: further cash payment) would be mandatory to not be at a disadvantage

I'm sorry if I missed it in your wall of text, but I didn't see what makes them mandatory. The change was intended as an innocuous convenience thing which shouldn't harm those who just choose to use more numerous non-extended containers instead. I'm not sure I'm seeing why one would be winning more by having 7x9 large chests.


I think many people see it this way. None of my villagers mind it (we also don't expect to use it, sketches are for pretty things).
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby Vigilance » Sat Oct 07, 2023 9:47 pm

vdz you might be ((functionally)) completely alone on this hill

im sure thats not unusual for you though.
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby VDZ » Sat Oct 07, 2023 9:56 pm

Vigilance wrote:vdz you might be ((functionally)) completely alone on this hill

im sure thats not unusual for you though.

When it was brought up in the announcement thread, others agreed it was bullshit:
lordgrunt wrote:i was literally about to ask the same thing, no one seems to mind but it is in fact a paid advantage that doesn't make a lot of sense tbh, why storage space would be enlarged bc of how it looks. and how much sense does it make really, does applying sketch to cupboard does anything (never tried) to how it appears?
If devs are not hard set on this feature yet i'd like to propose a different solution, one available to anyone and that would increase ease of life when sorting items. decals right now don't do much at all, some items on decals do have clear and distinct looks but when you have a long ass row of meat cubroards it still gets confusing.
So, how about this: when decal with item on it is present on container, space inside gets enlarged by a row and column, but only this item can fit inside. Imagine how fast you could drop off your forage or other loot if you just go cupboard after cupboard and simply scroll-wheel your inventory into them.
Unless of course it is your goal to make players life hard and to deal with hundreds of types of items every day, trying to find proper places ot drop it off. It's certainly a factor that prolongs how much time player spends in game...

Audiosmurf wrote:I would agree that the chest expansion sketch thing seems like lame p2w garbage. The idea of expanding containers is neat but just make it a hard leather item or something

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VDZ wrote:Portable containers aren't as big of a deal as they were in the past, but this still feels wrong.

Tbh lowkey +1, we won't be using those probably (maybe some but it's kinda w/e), but it just seems like a step in a bad direction. Let's face it, hnh is b2p+p2p, without premium+verification (admitedly those are quite cheap and you can buy tokens ingame) you are significantly worse off, back in legacy those two weren't a thing. Now we have those + hats + sketchbooks, and that was fine (they gotta make some money, this is not a charity) as long as they were just for looks, but now, allowing them to give a mechanical advantage does seem like a step in a wrong direction.
If sketchbook can give you extra portable space, what about sketchbooks on backpacks to increase their capacity, or a hat that gives you an extra row? Those don't seem so far fetched now.
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby Vigilance » Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:29 pm

VDZ wrote:When it was brought up in the announcement thread, others agreed it was bullshit

i mean yeah of course people did you're not going to find exactly zero people on your side no matter what wild opinion you have

while this is kinda icky pay-for-convenience shit i dont rlly think its the biggest thing worth crusading about before the world reset.
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby Sevenless » Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:33 am

Honestly, this being after the devs almost x4ed everyone's ingame inventory via a new mechanic makes it ok.

Pay for convenience usually encourages devs to make inventory more annoying not less. That's not happening here
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby Aerona » Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:39 am

I can see ornately decorated chests working as a great way to encourage raiding and piracy of vehicles, assuming the raiders/pirates can see the sketches before deciding to try to acquire them by force or intimidation. The idea of markings that indicate where the goods came from could make it easier to track what happened, and even make room for a bit of a cargo laundering industry.
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