The Outlawed System Sucks

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Re: The Outlawed System Sucks

Postby Valgar » Tue Jan 07, 2025 2:54 pm

Fostik wrote:Not sure about rework or removal of current crime debuff, for me they seems like a small but fair price to pay for a crime


It's no pain no gain, I'm not certain the victim asked to be killed or robbed neither the offender asked for a server crash. This is life, you gambled, you pay.

Disconnect ever character at server crash/restart and you'll see every player killing at weekly update announcement.
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Re: The Outlawed System Sucks

Postby Fostik » Tue Jan 07, 2025 4:11 pm

Valgar wrote:It's no pain no gain, I'm not certain the victim asked to be killed or robbed neither the offender asked for a server crash. This is life, you gambled, you pay.

Disconnect ever character at server crash/restart and you'll see every player killing at weekly update announcement.


If the only thing that is concerning you is a "weekly update announcement" then worry not, they're never regular, and announced only 5 minutes before restart, that time is not enough to use intentionally.
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Re: The Outlawed System Sucks

Postby SnuggleSnail » Tue Jan 07, 2025 4:18 pm

Letting people logout while outlawed wouldn't rly be a big deal ever. It's just annoying to have to port home when you need to take a fat shit/answer the door, or when you have to stay up 5hrs past your bed time when the server crashes.

I'm sure hermits will find some weird outlandish scenario in which it's gonna be game breaking or w/e, but back in reality there is no downside. We already had it in legacy and it was not a problem? I don't understand why it was changed, tbh.
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Re: The Outlawed System Sucks

Postby Valgar » Tue Jan 07, 2025 4:24 pm

The game is already very criminal friendly, so if they got no counterpart, at least even minor as they are right now.
If it was me any kind of fast travel would be unable until your criminal scents are done, devs are too kind allowing easy criminal gangs with no retaliation.
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Re: The Outlawed System Sucks

Postby SnuggleSnail » Tue Jan 07, 2025 4:27 pm

If your entire stance is "the game should just be annoying for people who play in a way I don't like" your opinion is worse than useless
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Re: The Outlawed System Sucks

Postby Valgar » Tue Jan 07, 2025 4:33 pm

No, my stance is your gameplay is to annoy other players, or erase their progression, pay the bill to be possibly erased.
Actually, the criminal just teleport 20min after his crime, and no one will take the time to break the walls where he is hiding.

The actual mindset of criminals is "I wanna kill & steal people but I don't wanna pay the price", "Fuck the Nidbane", "Fuck the Online timer"

Tell me the last time you seen a real Ranger/White knighting ? Impossible to do anymore
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Re: The Outlawed System Sucks

Postby DDDsDD999 » Tue Jan 07, 2025 4:58 pm

Outlaw doesn't do anything that the old summon system didn't besides massive annoyance on dc/wanting to go afk outside.

Valgar wrote:Bedwetting

Leave it for the non-constructive remove pvp threads.
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Re: The Outlawed System Sucks

Postby Kaios » Tue Jan 07, 2025 6:08 pm

I don't have much of an opinion one way or the other but let's say they did decide to switch it back. Do any of you truly believe you would be at any risk of being summoned?
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Re: The Outlawed System Sucks

Postby DDDsDD999 » Tue Jan 07, 2025 6:37 pm

Kaios wrote:Do any of you truly believe you would be at any risk of being summoned?

No difference in risk from the outlaw system excluding cases of server crashes/internet going out (not good reasons to perma-die)
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Re: The Outlawed System Sucks

Postby MightySheep » Tue Jan 07, 2025 7:28 pm

I saw a hermit die earlier in the world because a naked alt lured a boar into his village and he was outlawed offline was funny
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