Pause subscriptions during winter

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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby magnet » Thu Jul 31, 2025 6:06 pm

Just address winter instead

The whole greenhouse and moundbed thing was not thought out well
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby SnuggleSnail » Thu Jul 31, 2025 6:14 pm

if they make winter so good I have an involuntary cum every time I see a snowflake it will still never outvalue the damage done by being dogshit for the past 5 years

pro tip: it will never not be dogshit
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby Audiosmurf » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:35 pm

Greenhouses were a cute step in the right direction which they immediately and embarrassingly voided with mound beds
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby Robben_DuMarsch » Thu Jul 31, 2025 11:50 pm

Winter should have a special polar bear dungeon filled to the brim with random quality bones, which is announced by a regional event when it spawns.
More content, more PvP, more reason for groups to fight each other. Less reason to complain about clay grind.

Just reskin regular bears or some shit. Low effort is fine tbh.

Also X number of polar bears should be on the world at any given time during winter, similar to sperm whales. Because they are ultra rare, let people track them with tracking skill. They leave scents on spruce trees. Give them something rewarding for people who hunt them.

This is all content for reasonable people, btw.
For others, add a "Spruce Cap Snowman."
It can be safely built inside your walls, so you don't need to QQ on the forum about going out into terrain where you may theoretically not be able to run away as easily.

You can put any hat on it. When you walk up to it and say "Hat or die" in local chat, it melts.
As it's melting, it will totally say, "You are not a risk averse bitch. You are a big, strong, boy!"
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This will absolutely satisfy the needs of a special part of your community.
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby Soukuw » Fri Aug 01, 2025 4:29 am

Winter is awesome but at the same time shit because it mostly just slows everything down. I do like it as it seriously shakes up the game but it just lacks reward I think. So here's some radical ideas:

Winter could be about quality gains. Maybe there could be more items that work like WWW's that help you catch up with everyone else. Maybe there could be rare items like starshards that let you slowly creep your quality up in general, maybe they could only work on certain types of items. There could be special water sources or special clay that could be higher quality than normal.

Big bosses like don't starve. There could either be some end game crazy things or maybe just in general more winter only animals that actually give big benefits over the typical animals.

Probably not the best ideas as it might shake the game up too much but I think having a season where it's genuinely good/special to play could be interesting. It would be like a monthly or so "You should log in and get a big boost" similar to how raids get released for WoW.

For anyone that is gonna say "Well what if I don't have time to play" just turn every season into some variation of this, certain seasons have certain big boosts for quality but winter could have one of the largest to keep it interesting.

Also all of this facilitates trade which I think is awesome.
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby SnuggleSnail » Fri Aug 01, 2025 4:53 am

Sandbox games are like buffets. You take the bits you like, and you ignore the bits you don't. I hate alchemy, but I can just not do it so it's fine.

So why the fuck is this shit the majority vehemently hates being forced on everybody's plate? Literally just put it over here so we can choose to ignore it
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby Dawidio123 » Fri Aug 01, 2025 8:52 am

Audiosmurf wrote:Greenhouses were a cute step in the right direction which they immediately and embarrassingly voided with mound beds

Greenhouses were not thought out at all, nobody wants to manage 50 greenhouses to farm for a few days that winter lasts, they were a shitty bandaid. And mound beds were just another bandaid on top of it to not force you to use greenhouses (making them obsolete because who would choose them over just putting a few moundbeds on your fields).
They never address the core issue they just add bandaids.

Okay unironically what would it change if you doubled the space inside greenhouses. Some people would use them to save space for farming? What if you doubled the amount of stuff you get from things grown inside, i still think ppl would prefer making a big field outside and just harvesting that instead of managing multiple greenhouses. It could at least be janky a way to reduce the land you need to dedicate to fields if you were limited by space in the first place (so like an island ig).
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby vatas » Fri Aug 01, 2025 12:10 pm

Active claim alone should just 100% delete winter within its area. If Jorb is worried that someone wants to LARP, have some kind of opt-out checkbox in the claim interface. Of course everything unclaimed is still a problem, but this would be a relatively "low-hanging fruit" to instantly remove at least 50% of the qualms people have with winter.
(Mound Beds remain solely as a mass gardening thing.)
(Greenhouse could be used for faster growth rates and/or possibly host exotic plants that sprout from seeds found in some kind of end-game content.)

Bonus: Spring is actually the worst season
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby Nightdawg » Fri Aug 01, 2025 12:49 pm

vatas wrote:Active claim alone should just 100% delete winter within its area. If Jorb is worried that someone wants to LARP, have some kind of opt-out checkbox in the claim interface. Of course everything unclaimed is still a problem, but this would be a relatively "low-hanging fruit" to instantly remove at least 50% of the qualms people have with winter.
(Mound Beds remain solely as a mass gardening thing.)
(Greenhouse could be used for faster growth rates and/or possibly host exotic plants that sprout from seeds found in some kind of end-game content.)

Bonus: Spring is actually the worst season



If claims were to delete winter AND everything unclaimed would STILL be a problem, PERHAPS winter itself is the problem no matter what angle you look at it from
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby Fostik » Fri Aug 01, 2025 1:24 pm

There should be only summer, autumn and spring seasons, with winter happening on north only taking part of spring and autumn to be winter.

Devs seem to be very focused on local resource availability such as unique biome resources or ores, which is intended to foster player interaction and trading, although there's much bigger potential with climate tree/crop tiering.
For real, make winter happen in pre-determined parts of world, so players can decide if they want it.
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