Starshards abused and ruins gameplayloop

[jorb]

Tempted to agree that they are perhaps a bit much or even lazy. Made a note in the future worlds document.

[Hasta]

I USE ALL THE STAR SHARDS TO MAKE MY ITEMS PRETTY
*drools*

Seriously, what's the downside of an item being "starred" and producing starred produce? Because this thread (besides discussion of industry spiraling) makes it seem like "starred" items are somehow bad.

[FaithfulToadd]

Seriously, what's the downside of an item being "starred" and producing starred produce? Because this thread (besides discussion of industry spiraling) makes it seem like "starred" items are somehow bad.

Because of the opportunity cost of using a small gem vs. a larger gem. Why bother using +3 Q if it prevents you from getting +18 Q later?

The discussion is primarily about starred items crafting unstarred products and therefore being extremely abusable as a new kind of (unintended?) spiral mechanic. My reply was, that if (as I had assumed before reading this thread) a starred item could only produce starred products, then it'd be best for long-term progress to never use any star shard besides Jotun Brilliant. In other words, I posit that attempting to optimize star shards would become very boring and result in never using most of them, if they couldn't do this:

You can make any object or item nonstared while using star items using 50% of non-stars + 50% stared.

Perhaps I misunderstand the various applications of star shards. It occurs to me they could also be used for gilding clothes, perhaps. I have not tested this, as I've seen star shards only a handful of times. But as you most eloquently discussed, gilding in its current state seems fairly unworkable without a bot industry.

[maze]

I USE ALL THE STAR SHARDS TO MAKE MY ITEMS PRETTY
*drools*

Seriously, what's the downside of an item being "starred" and producing starred produce? Because this thread (besides discussion of industry spiraling) makes it seem like "starred" items are somehow bad.

the simplest one to understand is Stone Axe, (and then later understanding how to star every item in the game like kilns, sawtables, smelters, tools, ect... without applying the star effect but still getting the bonus).

You start with using any size starshard to star any stoneaxe, and use that to mine a quarry arts (what does not get the stared effect) and you split one block to get sticks (gets the stared effect).
craft new stoneaxe with the new quarry arts + stared stick and the result is a un-stared stone-axe. Now repeat the process to easily spiral stone-axe.

Starsharding basically allows you to keep spiraling your stoneaxe till you hit the Q cap of quarry arts, then you need to rely on block Q whats fun math of it's self to sprial off your blocks and the size of starshards finally mattering more.
and this is all just for the stoneaxes.
Once you understand the general logic, start applying it to everything in the industry... because thats what you need to do to have top Q products. My spreadsheets hurt

[Dawidio123]

Starsharding basically allows you to keep spiraling your stoneaxe till you hit the Q cap of quarry arts, then you need to rely on block Q whats fun math of it's self to sprial off your blocks and the size of starshards finally mattering more.
and this is all just for the stoneaxes.
Once you understand the general logic, start applying it to everything in the industry... because thats what you need to do to have top Q products. My spreadsheets hurt

I think you might be underestimating the diminishing returns you get on each cycle, or i might be overestimating them.

[Hasta]

Now repeat the process to easily spiral stone-axe

But that's cupboards worth of starshards to get a meaningful boost at scale even for a stoneaxe, not to mention whole industry? It this thread only relevant to the top 1% of players? Was the OP Bernie Sanders? XD

[Robben_DuMarsch]

Now repeat the process to easily spiral stone-axe

But that's cupboards worth of starshards to get a meaningful boost at scale even for a stoneaxe, not to mention whole industry? It this thread only relevant to the top 1% of players? Was the OP Bernie Sanders? XD

Maze just cracked open his cupboard with the really good drugs in it then posted this, I'm sure.
Now Jorb, who doesn't know better, is probably going to think there might be something to what he's saying lol.

[maze]

Now repeat the process to easily spiral stone-axe

But that's cupboards worth of starshards to get a meaningful boost at scale even for a stoneaxe, not to mention whole industry? It this thread only relevant to the top 1% of players? Was the OP Bernie Sanders? XD

Maze just cracked open his cupboard with the really good drugs in it then posted this, I'm sure.
Now Jorb, who doesn't know better, is probably going to think there might be something to what he's saying lol.

Amazing Robben Dumarch, your fantasy of me grows.
Please state where the maliciousness and none problem with starshard are before continuing to insult me.
Just because you are unable to perform the task does not mean its not a real thing... weird that? Robben is unable to do something so it must not be true. Hold on let us grab my dev cape and clear away my eyes I must have a haze of what I was doing.
Clearly you've been hit with a mild case of dementia, and forget whom you're talking to. These are the forums, not some unoffical discord. I don't take shit here.
you should take a moment to reflect on yourself.

[Robben_DuMarsch]

I must have a haze of what I was doing.

Clearly.

Clearly you've been hit with a mild case of dementia, and forget whom you're talking to. These are the forums, not some unoffical discord. I don't take shit here.
you should take a moment to reflect on yourself.

Honestly, I'd be more likely to insult you for this if you were relevant like... at all. If you were actually some sort of *big man* it'd be funny but also sad, because you'd be showing how clueless you were.

Instead, you're just shooting yourself (and your "villages," although I am not sure they would identify as that) in the foot with this suggestion.
Further, you're sort of just burning whatever credibility you had with me in the past. There were certainly times where I had championed your groups involvement in all sorts of activities.

We both know you're as threatening as a cowering chihuahua. So, is this attempt at puffery and shit throwing at me a sign you've finally given up the good fight, and are trying to position yourself in alignment with Hogwarts/Balls Bay, and make yourself their boot licking gimp? If so, please share, and I'll be sure to strike you off the list of people I would willingly cooperate with.

[Dawidio123]

Holy shit shut the fuck up, nobody cares about your personal drama bro. Talk about the issue discussed in the topic or don't, but you are both noname shitters so stop the cacophony and argue about starshards instead of who is the bigger shitter. This is the reason no change ever comes through because you turn the discussions into your personal battleground that the devs never gave 2 shits about. Wtf is wrong with you?