24 hour siege again

[ChildhoodObesity]

this is a pvp game and its success suffers as pvp suffers

As much as I wish this was true Jorb/Loftar themselves have stated numerous times that they do not see Haven as a PVP game and that PVP exists within the game as a means of conflict resolution. Their view of the game as clearly changed since the "WE SPECIALIZE IN PERMADEATH AND FORUM DRAMA" days.

Anyways I guess you could certainly argue that the current state of PVP/Siege doesn't allow for meaningful conflict resolution.

[OIchi]

this is a pvp game and its success suffers as pvp suffers

Is it really a PVP focused game?
Most ppl never participate in actual pvp, a lot of players does not want to participate and even when it comes to players that do participate there are many who do not enjoy it.

Do you think that driving new player away from the game by sieging their camps/villages make the game successful?

[Potjeh]

There's just too much time investment in bases to have succesful siege be something that actually happens. Nobody sane is going to do clay spiraling from scratch twice, so if they lose their kilns and smelters they'll just quit until the next world.

If you want PvP and siege, remove the quality system completely. Progression can be just about getting to the next tier of tech (steel, silk, etc.). And then make world wipes a regular monthly event cause that's about how much content there is to unlock. Factions can focus on optimizing their tech progression speed instead of optimizing q gain. And shoving whale meat down your gullet for a month is a lot more sustainable than doing it for years on end, so there'll be less burnout for hardcore stat grinders - you can simply skip a wipe when you're tired and come back for the next one.

[vatas]

What Potjeh said is probably the reason devs justified the current system with: successful siege is so devastating that they rather effectively remove it.

For the Nth time I do have to point out that not only noobs can be quite devastated without siege, but this behavior is effectively encouraged by being the only viable way to get PvP content out of the game.

[SnuggleSnail]

Potjah is also pro traveling merchants. His finger is not exactly on the pulse of the haven community, or human fun.

If you siege somebody you don't even reset them, they get to keep everything except their kilns/smelters/buildings/walls, and usually they get to keep those if they just reclaim the area a few weeks later. Vatas I successfully sieged you and how fucked were you really?

The soul of the game is worth more than 1% of the population getting upset and at worst coming back to play next world anyway.

[Massa]

There's just too much time investment in bases to have succesful siege be something that actually happens. Nobody sane is going to do clay spiraling from scratch twice, so if they lose their kilns and smelters they'll just quit until the next world.

If you want PvP and siege, remove the quality system completely. Progression can be just about getting to the next tier of tech (steel, silk, etc.). And then make world wipes a regular monthly event cause that's about how much content there is to unlock. Factions can focus on optimizing their tech progression speed instead of optimizing q gain. And shoving whale meat down your gullet for a month is a lot more sustainable than doing it for years on end, so there'll be less burnout for hardcore stat grinders - you can simply skip a wipe when you're tired and come back for the next one.

dying and losing literally all your shit is not quite as big of a deal as people seem to act like it is

it's sometimes not even much of a setback, even a full siege/raid

[bumfrog]

different opinions add to the cacophony

[Zampfeo]

Siege was cancer even when it was 24hr. Let the attacker choose a date and the defender a one hour window where their walls can be bashed. Attacker wouldn't need to poop-sock babysit a siege camp and the defender would have plenty of time to relocate, find help, and/or whine on the forums.

[strpk0]

There's just too much time investment in bases to have succesful siege be something that actually happens.

Counterpoint:
There's just too much time investment in bases to have non-existent siege and zero risk of anything being lost.

Nobody sane is going to do clay spiraling from scratch twice, so if they lose their kilns and smelters they'll just quit until the next world.

If you want PvP and siege, remove the quality system completely. Progression can be just about getting to the next tier of tech (steel, silk, etc.). And then make world wipes a regular monthly event cause that's about how much content there is to unlock. Factions can focus on optimizing their tech progression speed instead of optimizing q gain. And shoving whale meat down your gullet for a month is a lot more sustainable than doing it for years on end, so there'll be less burnout for hardcore stat grinders - you can simply skip a wipe when you're tired and come back for the next one.

If you want to argue about Haven's increasing amount of chores, tedium and content bloat, I'll be the first one to agree. This has nothing to do with siege, and everything to do with developers being focused on adding more and more, and never considering that trimming out the fat can also be a positive thing sometimes.

Siege or not, game still sucks fam. Its the toys like siege that make it somewhat tolerable. Or are we pretending that people are way happier knowing that the weeks of real-life hours they spent on their kilns mean nothing, and they might as well have done something similar in a single player game?

[Massa]

give me fuel give me fire give me that which i desire