P2P plan

[Russaria]

I would read your post, Russaria, but it is just a bunch of foaming-at-the mouth drivel, with an abysmal lack of newlines making the whole thing unreadable, so I won't.

how would you know, and then not know, that everyone knows what you already know, and they all knew what they know now way before they admitted they knew what they know. and that's how a indie drunk who publically shits himself in front everyone who knows (And every gamer who will know), then tries not to laugh at the brat who just shat himself and wants everyone to ignore it with a bravado so loud they think it will hide the stench. "I can shit on you all and my shit don't stink because I DON'T CARE which dismisses the smell" Hope that works out for you.

You say nothing because there's nothing to say that won't make your shitting yourself even more obvious than it already is. You'd even backstab and shit on people who brown-nosed you for years and were so use to the smell they had begun to think it sweet. And trust me, when you take the piss on people like Borka (as example, and all those like him) right along with everyone else you never gave a shit about, leaving nothing but your possessed mafia mods to sing your praises through the brown film they've learned to wear like a nice Riviera tan...well...that's not a way to do anything but seal your fate in this industry.

but you enjoy whatever fools you can get to send you some cash, even they will one day see how little that really means to you when you take your next piss in the faces of whoever is left! And after 7 years of proof, that piss is inevitable....and only a fool would think otherwise.

[jorb]

Thanks for your input. Bye.

[Russaria]

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I rented a server for new hafen wiki, started a domain registration ... later on the haven wiki and domain should have been transfered (to take the burden from spiff) ...
also a file server for custom clients, mods and stuff ... all paid a year in advance from my own working poor low income ... and you know the prices it costs at Hetzner ...

plus a year silver sub for hafen

3 accounts of my own for haven plus 3 shared accounts with much better crafter skills than mine (from guys that stopped playing a while ago) for haven to keep my playstyle which is 6x15 $, plus prolly a bit to help my mates play on haven with me too ...

you can imagine how much i feel the tip of your boots ... besides not being enabled to P2P ... but anyways no pain no gain ... i set up a deadline to you for myself ... that deadline went (all our haven animals starved now and a whole bunch of dutch and germanspeaking longtime players raised their middlefinger and left) ... so i cut the crap aswell and the money saved will be well spent on a neat graphic card and some video games ...

cheers

wow, just wow. I admit, I, and we, all those I played with, never cared much for the "inner party", and over the years had more than our share of banter and brawls. I will say the last few years it was nice that be it, fanatic or farmer, hermit or goon....all the loyalists pretty much just stayed out of each others way but we all stayed. I feel for all of them, and stories like the above just WOW I'm so glad I wasn't close enough or trusting enough to do something like that.

You're doing the right thing though, "seek thy gratitudes and graces for the loyalty thou hast given in kindness to devils in disguise, elsewhere, for you will find no benevolence, loyalty nor concern from these low beasts which calls themselves Lords of this realm". A lesson harder for some than others as I imagine the above illustrates. I can do naught but amplify the hurt everyone I knew felt and my own by 10 fold considering your above actions. I sincerely feel for ya.

I'm not ashamed to admit I shed a few.

[venatorvenator]

Sevenless' idea of data monitoring could be applied here as well. Yesterday the Fed raised USD interest rate and it's expected that the dollar will be even more overvalued over other currencies in the near future, including the major game markets China, Russia, and Brazil - which are already extremely undervalued toward US currency. Maybe you could keep an eye at subscriptions from these and similar countries and see how they're affected, compare player proportion with previous worlds regarding nationality, and change the payment options accordingly if you think that would help.
If other currencies were also allowed it would be great. Euro is somewhat stable overall, and Canadian dollars would be awesome

[moke]

dollar will be even more overvalued over other currencies in the near future, including the major game markets China, Russia, and Brazil - which are already extremely undervalued toward US currency. Maybe you could keep an eye at subscriptions from these and similar countries and see how they're affected, compare player proportion with previous worlds regarding nationality

Hello im from ukraine. I can assure you (dear developers) that NOBODY in my country will pay such money for this game. I remember when i played this game back in 2010 - it was a 7 hours a day for me. Sometimes i played with my friends even more per day. And now you limit gameplay for 7 hours a week - so there is no reason to even start to play it again.

[Russaria]

Thanks for your input. Bye.

you're welcome, I hope to continue helping you as much as possible since you are so kind

https://youtu.be/pJSV4ZniITo

[dullah]

My 2 cents :

The game was free until recently, no 7 hours a week isn't free, thats why i didn't post some critiques earlier, now it is not free, i have the right to.
Now that you want to be a businessman a enter the game, feel free to read my business advices and critiques.

I have been around since 2009, played a lot in previous (legacy) haven worlds.
When i first read about the game going pay to play, i was enthousiastic and felt like Loftar should get some money for all the hard work, i personnaly dislike Jorb because of his attitude since a long time.
When i started to play and ran out of game time, i checked the store and was shocked with the prices, 10$ a month ? really ?
I have been playing EvE for free since the PLEX introduction, and was a paying customer for several years before, the game really deserved my money (40k active players simultaneously, nice graphics, content, updates, ingame information, skillful pvp, and many other nice things)
I have to agree with Russaria, the forum has always been full of brown nosed mods and players who are singing the Jorb's Bible (or Quran or Torah whatever) to anyone expressing critiques about the game design (or payment model now).
I earn more than 75k € a year, and i won't pay 10 dollars a month for the game, mostly because it is not worth it, and secondly because don't feel like giving Jorb any money for his know-it-all attitude.
We know that the game on a platform like Steam would get 90% negative feedbacks, because it is what it deserves : negative feedback.

You do not need to make the game mechanics obscure to artificially lenght up the game lifetime, we shouldn't never have to rely on a player made wiki to understand basic and advanced mechanics.
You do not need try to reinvent cold water, try to use a combat system who doesnt suck balls, like one of the many RPG or MMORPG out there.
You do not need to have a childish jerk attitude, we know you read books and stuff, but you aren't a god at economics and at game design, we all know your (unsuccessful) professional resume and failures. (Jorb)

The first correction would be to make the game a one time payment, 15$ sounds ok, keep the hats and all the cosmetic stuff for extra income.
The second would be to change your attitude and the forum atmosphere, kick out all these aggressive mods, replace with professional and helpful ones, even TechX who was this kind of mod has slowly adopted the trend.
You cannot tell a customer to fuckoff, even using nice and complicated old English words to try to make you look intelligent and cultivated. Do that once, and loose reputation forever.

Try to show some respect to your players, we are 50% part of what haven is today, try to never forget that and correct your behaviour, you need us, and we don't need you.

[WyrmLynch]

My 2 cents :

The game was free until recently, no 7 hours a week isn't free, thats why i didn't post some critiques earlier, now it is not free, i have the right to.
Now that you want to be a businessman a enter the game, feel free to read my business advices and critiques.

I have been around since 2009, played a lot in previous (legacy) haven worlds.
When i first read about the game going pay to play, i was enthousiastic and felt like Loftar should get some money for all the hard work, i personnaly dislike Jorb because of his attitude since a long time.
When i started to play and ran out of game time, i checked the store and was shocked with the prices, 10$ a month ? really ?
I have been playing EvE for free since the PLEX introduction, and was a paying customer for several years before, the game really deserved my money (40k active players simultaneously, nice graphics, content, updates, ingame information, skillful pvp, and many other nice things)
I have to agree with Russaria, the forum has always been full of brown nosed mods and players who are singing the Jorb's Bible (or Quran or Torah whatever) to anyone expressing critiques about the game design (or payment model now).
I earn more than 75k € a year, and i won't pay 10 dollars a month for the game, mostly because it is not worth it, and secondly because don't feel like giving Jorb any money for his know-it-all attitude.
We know that the game on a platform like Steam would get 90% negative feedbacks, because it is what it deserves : negative feedback.

You do not need to make the game mechanics obscure to artificially lenght up the game lifetime, we shouldn't never have to rely on a player made wiki to understand basic and advanced mechanics.
You do not need try to reinvent cold water, try to use a combat system who doesnt suck balls, like one of the many RPG or MMORPG out there.
You do not need to have a childish jerk attitude, we know you read books and stuff, but you aren't a god at economics and at game design, we all know your (unsuccessful) professional resume and failures. (Jorb)

The first correction would be to make the game a one time payment, 15$ sounds ok, keep the hats and all the cosmetic stuff for extra income.
The second would be to change your attitude and the forum atmosphere, kick out all these aggressive mods, replace with professional and helpful ones, even TechX who was this kind of mod has slowly adopted the trend.
You cannot tell a customer to fuckoff, even using nice and complicated old English words to try to make you look intelligent and cultivated. Do that once, and loose reputation forever.

Try to show some respect to your players, we are 50% part of what haven is today, try to never forget that and correct your behaviour, you need us, and we don't need you.

best topic ever plus 10$ it is kinda harsh a month i know they wanna make money but come on ive play game 10 time better than this and only charge only ounce like 10 to 25$ but 10$ a month holy grails

[Chudo123]

Hello!
I was paid the $10 for free playing for month.
Your game still running only on my old notebook very slowly and with lags. It is still not working on my Mac OS. And I still think that its too expensive for this game. OK, I knew it when paid.
But in 2 days when I want to play the server is crashed. I think I was payed for playing in every time I want for 1 month. You got my money but I can not get a paid service.

[gradclone]

I don't care for the price but server crashes are indeed too often and too long.

And also agree with Dullah that Jorb should be more careful when replying, now that we are customers, paying for an alpha, and still helping to debug the game.
You can't tell customers to fuck off. You can't just reply "bad luck" when players ask for something going wrong or broken. Well, you can but don't expect the playerbase to keep paying.
On the other hand i don't want to personalize with "societies" i pay for services, i like the game, i'm ok to pay for it, i don't care if owner is an idiot or a genius or a moron as long as the job is done. For the moment at least.


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(but please fix the stupid taming process btw ... it's fucked up since years. Just make it simple without fuking timers : a fight with x% chance to tame when you win, and focus on fixing bug abuses like cliffs or build signs).