24 hour siege again

[Clemins]

Having to babysit a ram for 72 hours is difficult.

That's one way of putting it, but i mean

[vatas]

time =/= difficulty

This is not true. Having to babysit a ram for 72 hours is difficult. Having attackers spend a bunch of time banging rocks together is good, and not just because it's difficult, but it is also universally agreed upon to be an unpleasant activity. The fun in sieging should come from winning, not from itself being a delightful experience.

By that logic, nothing was wrong with pre-nerf Pandemonium Warden.

[jordancoles]

Make destroyed siege engines leave some sort of wreck that can be rebuilt to keep their previous charge level. The wreck would either just keep its charge status and go away after a fixed time, or continuously lose charge status (by some linear or non-linear function of time) and go away when it has none left. Haven't decided on the details, but I'm sure you get the general idea.

I really don't want to destroy a ram at my wall and then have to camp the wreckage for the next few hours to make sure it's actually gone. Nor do I really want to succeed in destroying an attacking ram just to have the attacking group instantly pop a new one back up with the same siege charge. This sounds just miserable to deal with

[MooCow]

Having to babysit a ram for 72 hours is difficult.

That's one way of putting it, but i mean

This one made me laugh. Thank you! This is why I would prefer the siege to be carried out in small intervals over multiple days. 24 hours is just too fast for filthy casuals like me, but I also get that it's a lot.

In all fairness though, even with 24 hour siege, a single person isn't supposed to simply not sleep.

By that logic, nothing was wrong with pre-nerf Pandemonium Warden

You will have to forgive me for my lack of culture here, but is there specific utility in having fights in this game be unpleasant? Also, I love that they didn't even make it to 24 hours.



Giving the ability to tune how long it takes to perform sieges to realm leaders would be a very interesting just from an experimental side.

[SnuggleSnail]

[OIchi]

It seems to me like everyone here agrees on at least two thing.

Siege system is too complicated and poorly explained.
Siege boosting or whatever it's called (numen thing) should be removed.

There is a need to somehow include both PvP and non PvP players in the solution.
What I was thinking about is to differentiate between both groups somehow.

My idea here would be to let the claim naturally charge to 400%, but link it to the crimes, so leaving scents would temporarily reduce the charge.
This way hermits that do not engage in pvp, would still enjoy 5days protection and pvp players could resolve their conflicts.

The difficult thing here would be to determine how to link players to claims. Maybe make criminals unable to move their hearth fire and link it by it.
I know it would make players create additional villages for criminal characters, but you would at least be able to get to their characters there.

[SnuggleSnail]

> things are too complicated
> to reduce how complicated things are there should be additional claim types
> wait why is everybody making vaults again
> wait why are people getting baited into redhanding even more
> wait why are casuals getting fucked for stealing like 3 apples or something

[OIchi]

> things are too complicated
> to reduce how complicated things are there should be additional claim types
> wait why is everybody making vaults again
> wait why are people getting baited into redhanding even more
> wait why are casuals getting fucked for stealing like 3 apples or something

> to reduce how complicated things are there should be additional claim types
What do you mean by claim types?
> wait why is everybody making vaults again
does it even matter? ppl are going to go an extra mile to avoid any other system anyways. Make them pvp players do some more work.
> wait why are people getting baited into redhanding even more
get good and don't get baited.
> wait why are casuals getting fucked for stealing like 3 apples or something
I do see it as improvement, getting fucked over 3 apples is still better than getting fucked over nothing, also "reduce the charge" does not mean remove it completely.
To make it more tangible let's assign some example numbers: -2% charge per theft, -4% charge for vandalism, -6% for battery and -15% for murder. so until you go on a rampage you won't have to worry that much.

[SnuggleSnail]

I can tell you're a nematode by the way you type

[OIchi]

I can tell you're a nematode by the way you type

I'm sorry but I don't get what nematode is.