Rework Outlaw

[overtyped]

something else I have to add if you're an outlaw your claim protection should be provoked in a way other words people won't leave sense behind when they vandalize your property to kill you they will still need vandalism to do it but they won't leave a scent behind cuz you're a criminal

No. I'm afraid that is a terrible idea.

[SavageFox]

something else I have to add if you're an outlaw your claim protection should be provoked in a way other words people won't leave sense behind when they vandalize your property to kill you they will still need vandalism to do it but they won't leave a scent behind cuz you're a criminal

No. I'm afraid that is a terrible idea.

here's a thing there needs to be some way to get retribution without any consequences as somebody commits a crime against you you should be able to do something to them to punish them without coming a criminal yourself or somebody can come along and destroy your hearth fire and kill you all it's going to do is turn into passing the shit baton at this rate

currently you can't punish a criminal without punishing yourself so why do you want to do it there needs to be consequences for criminals and low consequences for people punishing the crime or there's no point in punishing the crime

[overtyped]

currently you can't punish a criminal without punishing yourself so why do you want to do it there needs to be consequences for criminals and low consequences for people punishing the crime or there's no point in punishing the crime

Let me explain it this way. If someone uses a low stat alt with rage to attack you and ends up getting KO'd, their village can then retaliate against you without any consequences.

Things are not as black and white as you make it out to be. There are no forever criminals in haven, and if there are, then you can be made into one too at any time.

[vatas]

I like the idea of people with outlaw being unable to move their hearthfire until outlaw goes away. In fact, it should have been this way from the start.

+1

Possibly combine with "Outlaw + HF broken = instant death" (Lore-wise, it could be explained that your connection to the "Hearth" is severed.)

This would presumably be harsh enough, that all other Outlaw penalties could be placed under "consideration of removal." Red-handed and not being able to log out were supposed to make the perp easier to catch and prevent hiding offline, respectively. If you make "siege the perp HF location, then bash HF" into a simple "wargoal" those two could be considered redundant.

Of course now a very complicated factor enters the chat: siege. If you buff defence too much, Outlaw of course becomes completely redundant because it's impossible or infeasible to siege the base protecting Outlaws. One world had this issue so bad that Snail challenged people to siege him and nobody took it.

[stya]

So with those changes, if you are under siege and try to defend it, you get outlawed and are basically trapped? If the siege is successful, they summon you and kill you?
If I understood all of this correctly, I'm not 100% sure I like it.

Other way around, if you find a criminal, you know you can try to siege him, knowing he can't escape. Kinda like it more, but on the other hand it's also kind of doable to force/bait someone into outlaw.

[SnuggleSnail]

Siege is not real so not being able to move your hearthfire would serve no purpose except to be annoying or fuck over people who don't read patch notes / accidentally steal something


Not being able to logout when outlawed is egregiously bad and not something that would've stuck for so long if the majority of criminals weren't turbnonerds willing to put up with having to hold their shit for an hour or run back to the computer mid shit when they hear an alarm

[Luno]

Siege is not real so not being able to move your hearthfire would serve no purpose except to be annoying or fuck over people who don't read patch notes / accidentally steal something

I think it would at least make it easier for people to track where you actually live. Unless u move ur hearthfire somewhere else before commiting the crime, i guess. But doubt if this is solving any problems at all.

[Oldimaru]

+1 very good idea!

[Robert_Domars]

The premise is based on being able to get to peoples hearth fire but since theres no siege I dont really understand this talk about the old days when you feared consequences from big factions. Theres no such thing as consequences anymore, if youre inside a palisade you can basically just go on killing sprees

The part about character not always being logged in and requiring scent to kill it on the hearthfire makes sense though I guess

[stya]

The premise is based on being able to get to peoples hearth fire but since theres no siege I dont really understand this talk about the old days when you feared consequences from big factions. Theres no such thing as consequences anymore, if youre inside a palisade you can basically just go on killing sprees

The part about character not always being logged in and requiring scent to kill it on the hearthfire makes sense though I guess

There is no siege... now. I trust jorb to slip and rework it again