Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby Sevenless » Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:58 am

Aerona wrote:I can see ornately decorated chests working as a great way to encourage raiding and piracy of vehicles, assuming the raiders/pirates can see the sketches before deciding to try to acquire them by force or intimidation. The idea of markings that indicate where the goods came from could make it easier to track what happened, and even make room for a bit of a cargo laundering industry.


Raiders literally attack and loot anyone they see. It doesn't matter at all what boat you're in. Dugout, rowboat, snekkja. KoS everything not in a friendly realm zone.

This will have zero impact on raiding. Your clothes and tears are probably worth more to them anyway.
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby Aerona » Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:14 am

That may be true, but if someone isn't a raider and they see something shiny while travelling, they're more likely to become a raider, too! A raider is just someone who's currently performing a raid, not necessarily someone who never does anything else. Though, yeah, in an environment where total war, scorched earth policies are being used, there's not going to be any commerce or supply chains to raid in the first place.
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby VDZ » Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:23 am

Sevenless wrote:
Aerona wrote:I can see ornately decorated chests working as a great way to encourage raiding and piracy of vehicles, assuming the raiders/pirates can see the sketches before deciding to try to acquire them by force or intimidation. The idea of markings that indicate where the goods came from could make it easier to track what happened, and even make room for a bit of a cargo laundering industry.


Raiders literally attack and loot anyone they see. It doesn't matter at all what boat you're in. Dugout, rowboat, snekkja. KoS everything not in a friendly realm zone.

This will have zero impact on raiding. Your clothes and tears are probably worth more to them anyway.

There have been raiders going out specifically to hat-or-die people (and without the possibility of hat rewards they'd consider raiding not worth it). Given that chest-or-die has a 100% success rate (you can't stop the chest from being taken if overwhelmed in combat, so it's more like chest-and-die) people will definitely raid more actively if sketched chests become common enough among travelers.
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby Sevenless » Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:38 am

VDZ wrote:There have been raiders going out specifically to hat-or-die people (and without the possibility of hat rewards they'd consider raiding not worth it). Given that chest-or-die has a 100% success rate (you can't stop the chest from being taken if overwhelmed in combat, so it's more like chest-and-die) people will definitely raid more actively if sketched chests become common enough among travelers.


You're trying to compare an ingame item that doesn't transfer between worlds to one that does and appreciates in value over time.

That's not even a slightly fair comparison for your point.
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby Audiosmurf » Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:05 am

Even if it's not really rational, I'd honestly be more okay with this if it changed the upgraded container visually so you could recognize which ones were Bigger
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby MightySheep » Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:18 am

its p2w but so what, why would u type a wall of text just because poverty devs want to make some money

If someone wants to pay the price of a mcdonalds cheeseburger to get some extra inventory space on a container good for them lol, imagine crying about that
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby Audiosmurf » Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:26 am

Audiosmurf wrote:Even if it's not really rational, I'd honestly be more okay with this if it changed the upgraded container visually so you could recognize which ones were Bigger

Stick a little piece of paper on it to show it has a sketch attached to it so I know what to steal and we're gucci just do it
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby Massa » Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:54 am

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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby Clemins » Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:06 am

Lmao, im going to have the fanciest fucking wicker basket ever

Oh also jorb/loftar, can I apply one to a cave crevasse? plz ty
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Re: Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

Postby Sevenless » Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:28 am

Clemins wrote:Lmao, im going to have the fanciest fucking wicker basket ever

Oh also jorb/loftar, can I apply one to a cave crevasse? plz ty


Widening your crevice eh?
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