Ysh wrote:I do not understand how you are making this suggesting and not immediately removed from moderation team.
That jorb and loftar have approved this? That Granger can't do anything to these forums without their approval?
Ysh wrote:Granger wrote:@Ysh/Burinn:
I do not understand you two still being here instead of being permabanned, given that your statements are 100% factually correct and anchored fully in what mankind agreed on as 'reality'.
My guess is: you're both wrong with your posts.
The fact you threat to permaban me for disagree to you is made my point already.
The fact that some of us like to read your witty banter, probably. Still, there has been more than enough grounds in the past that I think I can say the whole mod team would rather not deal with the more antagonistic issues that have come up between the two of you, and both of you have been involved in separately.
Burinn wrote:Yeah, dealing with "pigposting" would probably be pretty unfun.
If it were one or two posts and the end of it, I'd personally ignore it and just remove the account. Instead, we get a flood of it and have to deal with 100+ posts, usually, which just pisses me off and leaves me less inclined to be lenient on people that pull it.
Patchouli_Knowledge wrote:Only newbie and inexperienced shitposters would flood crap though.
Unfortunately, this isn't the case from what I've seen. It's usually someone that has gotten a post removed, censored, or outright banned for their posts that do it, usually when drunk or stoned off their ass, and their filters have gotten screwed up with the haze they're in.
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I'm going to say I'm not a big fan of this. It's more work for the moderation team. However, I see where it can solve some of the other problems. If people feel they can make legitimate posts, even if it has to wait for a moderator to see it a few hours, they're less likely to make a new account to post it from to create a conversation or news post.
On the other hand, if we pull the reins in too tightly, then instead of waiting for posts to be approved, someone is still going to just make alt accounts to shitpost to the forum with. Or they're just going to avoid the system all together and make the alt accounts we have to still track down.
Then there's the whole argument about transparency that obviously has been an issue. What's the difference between not approving a post and deleting someone's posts that have proven to be unacceptable, posts that are coming from alt accounts, etc etc? If we're doing this to control alt account use and to stop the worst of trolls on the forums, why not just delete/quarantine the offending posts in the first place. Having a post in Hel is still having a post where the poster can say "Look at me!!" If you remove those "look at me" posts, they'll stop.
it's all censorship at some level. It's a private company based in Sweden with servers hosted in Germany that doesn't have to uphold all those liberty standards we expect the press et al. to be allowed to have. I want to make the best effort at giving people a place to say what they want to say about the game, politics, or whatever else the community wants to discuss, but I also want to make sure people don't have to deal with harassment, abuse, or see things that are excessively lurid, violent, or otherwise not to the 'community standards' we are trying to uphold.
Opinions expressed in this statement are the authors alone and in no way reflect on the game development values of the actual developers.
by Amanda44 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:24 am 
