Idea for PVP --- Surrendering

[Vraatjuh]

This games ultimate goal is also not to simulate conflict. It's just a current byproduct to prevent abuse, as stated by Jorb himself.

Yet it's mostly if not only used to abuse from all stories I hear

Not at all. A big part of the active community is actively engaging in group PvP and enjoy doing so. Which is totally fine and why I for one think PvP shouldn't be completely removed.
It's just the very small percentage of the community that 'abuse' it for their own toxicity with which I and many others have a problem. Which is also the part that needs fixing if possible. Hence this suggestion by Dimlight (which I do not neccessarily agree with).

[Seriouskai]

This games ultimate goal is also not to simulate conflict. It's just a current byproduct to prevent abuse, as stated by Jorb himself.

Yet it's mostly if not only used to abuse from all stories I hear

Not at all. A big part of the active community is actively engaging in group PvP and enjoy doing so. Which is totally fine and why I for one think PvP shouldn't be completely removed.
It's just the very small percentage of the community that 'abuse' it for their own toxicity with which I and many others have a problem. Which is also the part that needs fixing if possible. Hence this suggestion by Dimlight (which I do not neccessarily agree with).

Fair enough, I suppose it's just the bad apples that shines the brightest in this case. And I firmly believe those few people are a very negative impact on the game, even with reputation alone at this point. That said I'm not against PVP or anything, but I feel it needs a change and I've suggested ideas in other threads for it.

[MadNomad]

Are you sure? Snail KO'd me once with a 780ish statted alt vs my 2.8k str/1.2k agi/1.5k con or something at the time and we had equal gear. xd

I win every fight when I have better stats and lose every fight when I have worse stats
it's all about knowing which moves are best to use and which are terrible

and then you can keep getting damaged for certain the same(more or less) amount of HP while damaging someone for the same(more or less) higher(or smaller) amount of HP, at some point both people realise at which level of opening it is better to use an attack or and at which level it is better to use a restoration(they more or less notice the border level) but one has better stat situation so they must win

[Pommfritz]

Are you sure? Snail KO'd me once with a 780ish statted alt vs my 2.8k str/1.2k agi/1.5k con or something at the time and we had equal gear. xd

I win every fight when I have better stats and lose every fight when I have worse stats
it's all about knowing which moves are best to use and which are terrible

and then you can keep getting damaged for certain the same(more or less) amount of HP while damaging someone for the same(more or less) higher(or smaller) amount of HP, at some point both people realise at which level of opening it is better to use an attack or and at which level it is better to use a restoration(they more or less notice the border level) but one has better stat situation so they must win

I feel like this is where I should ask you for an mrage duel

[Nightdawg]

1v1's are objectively retarded and you all know it's just a stat check for low opening cleaves once both players know how to 1v1.

[SnuggleSnail]

Felix dunked korean 3 in a 1v1 on a char with ~ 1/4th to 1/2 of its stats less than 48 hours ago. Troll dunked sacraer*** is a 1v1 world 11 with like half his stats. When ozzy and felix had their best of 5 ozzy wasn't even rly close to winning any of the matches with similar stats.

I'd agree it's way less skill based than team fights, but it's not just a stat check even at the higher end. I'm pretty sure the "it's just stats, bro" comes from people that don't even try things like medding/abusing animals/clicking kritters/clipping.

[Nightdawg]

Felix dunked korean 3 in a 1v1 on a char with ~ 1/4th to 1/2 of its stats less than 48 hours ago. Troll dunked felix is a 1v1 world 11 with like half his stats. When ozzy and felix had their best of 5 ozzy wasn't even rly close to winning any of the matches with similar stats.

I'd agree it's way less skill based than team fights, but it's not just a stat check even at the higher end. I'm pretty sure the "it's just stats, bro" comes from people that don't even try things like medding/abusing animals/clicking kritters/clipping.

Mind you, this world I 1v1'd two of my friends a bunch of times just to get the basic 1v1 pvp knowledge. At the start, 2 of us were getting dunked *a lot* by the third, but eventually we got better.
What I'm saying is, once you get the hang of it and you know the strat, it's pretty retarded.

I'm confident felix did a lot more 1v1's than ozzy. He was only logging in to go to big fights, not sparring people in 1v1's. Idk what felix was doing this world, you know that side. I'm sure if felix were to 1v1 trollex now they would be closer to a draw compared to what happened *3* years ago.

I'm not saying it takes less skill than big fights though. Bigger fights really depend on cooperation and communication more than just raw skill (assuming both sides are equal or close to equal in numbers). But 1v1's depend too much on low cleaves and clipping, and when both players are experienced enough with the 1v1 meta, it becomes really stale.

If anything, the best example I can give you is when we 1v1'd and I had 2/3 of your stats. Neither of us were using proper decks, nor did we know how to 1v1 (it was literally my first 1v1, I only went to like 5 big fights prior to that), and you saw the kind of shitshow that was. Both current me or current you would be able to destroy either of us from that time, in a 1v1.

If you and the guy you're 1v1'ing are close to equal in skill, with this low cleave 1v1 meta, it's not hard to just run away if you start losing, which is the part that I find retarded. If you're doing a *proper* duel and you're losing, you're pretty much forcing yourself to sit there and lose.

Idk, in the end 1v1's are stale IMO.

[MadNomad]

Are you sure? Snail KO'd me once with a 780ish statted alt vs my 2.8k str/1.2k agi/1.5k con or something at the time and we had equal gear. xd

I win every fight when I have better stats and lose every fight when I have worse stats
it's all about knowing which moves are best to use and which are terrible

and then you can keep getting damaged for certain the same(more or less) amount of HP while damaging someone for the same(more or less) higher(or smaller) amount of HP, at some point both people realise at which level of opening it is better to use an attack or and at which level it is better to use a restoration(they more or less notice the border level) but one has better stat situation so they must win

I feel like this is where I should ask you for an mrage duel

what if I only have terrible 500 in stats and dont want to lose to your 3000 in stats? you just mentioned you had 2800 str 1200 agi and 1500 con

[Pommfritz]

I don't really have access to too many chars as a hermit so the lowest char with some combat moves would be my miner with around 900 stats

[wonder-ass]

Valhalla him tbh