Sketch container expansion is P2W, a very bad idea

[Clemins]

Lmao, im going to have the fanciest fucking wicker basket ever

Oh also jorb/loftar, can I apply one to a cave crevasse? plz ty

Widening your crevice eh?

At such low rates(~$2.50each), can you blame me? It's a steal! Imagine all the things I could fit inside my expanded crevasse... I'd be the envy of my friends and maybe even make some new ones!

[DDDsDD999]

Shame on you trying to take money from poor swedish indie devs.

[Killface]

Alternatives if you really just want more sketches to be used
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Sketches, at least as far as has been communicated to us and how they've worked so far, serve a cosmetic function, letting players achieve aesthetic possibilities that would not (reasonably) be possible without the microtransaction. There still tons of options in this design space. For some examples:

• People have been asking for more options for player character customization for a long time now. More hair colors? Apply a sketch to your character to get new hair colors currently not selectable. Sick of the handful of available hair styles? Get a premium-exclusive hairstyle for the price of one sketch. Want to change that ugly face? Spend one sketch to change it into a different ugly face!
• Equipment likewise could be recolored at the price of one sketch per item. Maybe even different textures to have effectively premium-exclusive cosmetic variants of gear (similar to how you can have your own weapon skins in e.g. CS:GO).
• Recoloring and retexturing doesn't need to be limited to the player. Spend a sketch to get a premium-exclusive texture on your cupboard, on your house, on your bench, on your stone walls, even on your palisades and just to troll on your battering rams too!
• Hell, just ask players for what cosmetic options they're missing in Haven. People are willing to pay premium to make themselves, the things they use or things associated with them look fancy!

Can we still do this tho

[r0ck4ev3r]

Hardly pay to win; nothing wrong with some pay for convenience, support your devs.

[VDZ]

Hardly pay to win; nothing wrong with some pay for convenience, support your devs.

You can already support the devs by getting a silver or gold sub and/or buying hats or sketches that do not confer in-game advantages.

[r0ck4ev3r]

do not confer in-game advantages.

Sub is already pay to win- with a few in-game advantages: One extra row of inventory space, character, development rate and convenience... Paying to add more inventory something that is steal-able/destructible is great risk reward add.

[Dawidio123]

do not confer in-game advantages.

Sub is already pay to win- with a few in-game advantages: One extra row of inventory space, character, development rate and convenience... Paying to add more inventory something that is steal-able/destructible is great risk reward add.

Eh i'm pretty sure VDZ referred to hats and sketches with that line, or the silver/gold tier compared to bronze (just giving devs money for cosmetics at best if they do updates lol). But, while sub being p2w might be true, i think most players just treat it like a full-version of the game (ie. pay 2 play and buy 2 play combined). You could argue that FFXIV or WoW sub is p2w since you can't do much on trial version, i treat f2p haven as a damn good trial that's great for alt making. Nobody who is serious about playing will be like "Nah i won't pay 7 dollars a month (or get tokens through trade) + verification (that they probably already have if they played for a while) to save literally hours of my time (convenience and inventory space) and get 50% more lp/xp/feps".

[DonVelD]

[VDZ]

The short version was posted on page 5 of the announcement thread, with another short version explicitly asking for some response from the devs (after universally negative response to the change in the earlier discussion) on page 23, but neither got any form of acknowledgement that the devs even read it (let alone consider the signifiance of this change) so I had to make an extensive post about the problem. Which apparently still wasn't extensive enough as it didn't also explain how having bigger portable containers is an in-game advantage.

[SnuggleSnail]

You're not wrong about any of this in theory, but keep in mind Haven is a game that has not gone a world without major game breaking bugs during any time I've played.

W10 17k UA questing bois
W11 1k strength vandal alts 1 week of the world spiced industry bois
W12 Infinite quality foragables
W13 Default client combat crash that lasted >12 months
W14 Infinite LP spawning room bug

Nobody gets punished for using these, and there's probably 10 non-public exploits for every one that publicly gets fixed. There's no integrity to protect here.