Make palisades easier (getting leather faster) to make

[joojoo1975]

Not if it's not active. And tbf if the claim is active vandalism doesn't help you as you can't just bonk it (which btw is an issue as ppl can just spawn dumb claims around you at 0 cost and you have to place a ram to bash them if you let them dry, now with added thingpeace breaking)

Well first off, If someone put anything valuable on a claim that is not dried, that's on them. the game has a lot of time delay mechanics. Secondly, you cannot get vandalism if you don't have rage. So if the average turbo player can acquire rage in a day or two, then increasing the LP cost 20 fold, will ensure it cannot be had in the first week or two. I mean I guess you can, but you would be sacrificing damn near everything to get it.

Like any of this matters. I really do not see J&L doing anything about it.

[Dawidio123]

But yeah, I'm not really arsed about people rushing Rage. It's Vandalism that is a pain in the ass to stop because if someone has Vandalism you are essentially forced to have Rage yourself to try to stop them from breaking in and taking all your shit and if Rage goes up in cost then it's even harder to have it to stop said situation. It's a bit of a catch-22.

That's not really true, if they need vandalism to break your shit it means you have an active claim, and you can aggro people without having rage on your claim. Rage is very useful for the first 2-3 hours of the world where you can bonk ppl trying to bash your non active claim.
Arguably increasing vandalism cost might allow ppl to use fences for some menial protection in the first days, but I'll repeat, ppl questing for 24h a day will get it pretty damn fast anyways.

[Nocturnal-Rainbows]

That's not really true, if they need vandalism to break your shit it means you have an active claim, and you can aggro people without having rage on your claim.

Oh shit, really? I wasn't aware of that. That's good to know. Really damn good to know, actually.

[Dawidio123]

That's not really true, if they need vandalism to break your shit it means you have an active claim, and you can aggro people without having rage on your claim.

Oh shit, really? I wasn't aware of that. That's good to know. Really damn good to know, actually.

Yep, spamming 10 uac alts is actually a viable strategy for small groups.

So if the average turbo player can acquire rage in a day or two

You can get rage in roughly 2-3 hours without much luck. Increase vandalism cost sure, but as long as you can quest it's gonna be a bitch for everyone but the ppl who quest for 24h.

[Nocturnal-Rainbows]

Oh shit, really? I wasn't aware of that. That's good to know. Really damn good to know, actually.

You know what, now that I think on it, I do vaguely recall that mechanic existing, but I guess I forgot about it somehow because I haven't utilized it in so long but at the beginning of one of the earlier worlds, like World 9 or 10, me and my 2 m8's ended up settling right next to Ozzy and Berth and co and they were griefing us and we were griefing them back. We managed to get our claim up because I surrounded it with a shit ton of naked alts and we kept bashing their claim before it finished and then eventually bashed their house which resulted in them leaving the location BUT one interaction that is in the back of my mind is we baited them onto the claim to fight and (please feel free to correct me if I'm talking out of my ass here but I'm fucking SURE this is at least how it used to be) I think there was a command to evict them from the claim, which knocked them out at the edge of the claim instantly.

Bro wtf, is eviction KO'ing still a thing? Can you still just right click evict people from your claim like that? Like I said, I haven't tried it since that world so I don't even know if it's still a thing.

[Dawidio123]

Bro wtf, is eviction KO'ing still a thing? Can you still just right click evict people from your claim like that? Like I said, I haven't tried it since that world so I don't even know if it's still a thing.

Only if they have visitor debuff, and it won't KO unless they are redhanded. I THINK. I'm really not sure how it works bcs i didn't use it much.

[DonVelD]

Most people didn't use the cave claim, so its absence won't affect them at all.

That's false. Cave to just normal claim ratio is about from what I've noticed 3:5 (yes it is "most" but it's way too close to ignore it)

And I am actively seeking out villages so go figure.

You does not always mean "most". It's the same argument people use against the "top" of the food chain, PvPers.

When it comes to the values I personally think they're good as-is. People will rush rage anyways, and you WANT rage for griefers. No, you don't need vandalism to grief. It can just be 10 annoying alts.

I experienced that W12 and had to move out. No, I was not a PvPer back then.