Pause subscriptions during winter

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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby Fostik » Sun Aug 03, 2025 7:56 am

joojoo1975 wrote:Edit: All your bravado reminded me of somethng.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wdUzTicEAU


To me it reminded discussion of a man not knowing what he's talking about from "No country for old men"
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby vatas » Sun Aug 03, 2025 1:14 pm

(DIsclaimer, I don't have any psychology credentials.)

Snail must have some kind of mental deficiency/issue that he is able to usually/mostly "mask" so that he appears (relatively) normal. When it comes to this thread however, I hate to say, he has a valid point.

In terms of gameplay, there really isn't a good reason to have Winter in the game. (Or very least, all the positives are disproportionately outweighed by the negatives.) Jorb probably just went:
It would be cool to have Seasons in my game project. And obviously crops can't grow during winter. I will also ignore the gameplay impacts almost entirely.

It's since been 5 years and all the added Winter content, if I'm being brutally honest, just make it "somewhat less shit."

I remember at least once responding to data, that strongly suggested every in-game winter bites a significant chunk of the current player population, with cope that went something like "people who were about to quit anyway do it when winter hits" but if you want player retention, you really don't want to give them an excuse to quit. Or break their daily routine (even if they just play Farmville, the process of making all the required Mound Beds is an arbitrary chore imposed by Jorb.)

(Simple) Ideas to make it good tend to be "let's convince Jorb to remove it at least partially" like how it's already cut in half and my "active claims passively have the current Mound Bed effect within their entire area."
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby OIchi » Sun Aug 03, 2025 6:55 pm

Isn't winter super short already? 3-4 days or something? On top of that you can still cancel the effects with mound beds... so what is the big problem here actually?
People wanted seasons they got all 4, it serves role play function if nothing else. I agree we need some more winter content but I do somewhat like winter in haven.
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby terechgracz » Sun Aug 03, 2025 8:23 pm

OIchi wrote:Isn't winter super short already? 3-4 days or something? On top of that you can still cancel the effects with mound beds... so what is the big problem here actually?
People wanted seasons they got all 4, it serves role play function if nothing else. I agree we need some more winter content but I do somewhat like winter in haven.
Kicksleding around is fun, even though, I understand they don't rly work for pvp.


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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby Gerdgen » Mon Aug 04, 2025 9:47 pm

Seasons exist because Jorb (the artist), needed something to spend time on back then while Loftar recovered in his bacta tank from his injuries in the Sweden-Fiji war, and seasons were a good, art heavy target.

Just remove seasons and have snow be a random province weather event that lasts 24 irl hours. No effect on crops. Keep all that art, remove all the scheduled frustration/limitation.

Anyone suggesting new content to try and fix seasons needs to have their fucking head checked. They've refused to do this for years, they're not going to do it, give up.
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby kwzuu » Tue Aug 05, 2025 6:14 am

SnuggleSnail wrote:
  • Being told "skill issue" by a pr[e]y animal feels strange

i would be a prey animal for snail
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby SnuggleSnail » Tue Aug 05, 2025 6:57 am

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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby Robben_DuMarsch » Wed Aug 06, 2025 9:29 pm

kwzuu wrote:
SnuggleSnail wrote:
  • Being told "skill issue" by a pr[e]y animal feels strange

i would be a prey animal for snail


I'd bet fifty bucks this is Snail on an alt posting for himself.
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby Massa » Thu Aug 07, 2025 2:36 am

SnuggleSnail wrote:It feels like a scam that you make the game unplayable like 1/6th of the time or something for no reason but still take my money during that period

winter content is enjoyable and redeeming
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Re: Pause subscriptions during winter

Postby SnuggleSnail » Sat Aug 09, 2025 9:39 am

we're literally in the same village and you don't play during winter either ye dingus
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